Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
Datakim Send a noteboard - 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM
To me it looks like Sorilea did it because Cadsuane actually showed her the weaves for the 'alarm system warding' that she put around both & she showed it to Sorilea because even tho she didnt want to show it to anyone she had to maintain that 'trust' level with her.
We all know that Sorilea learns weaves instantly, and even if she wasnt strong enough to undo them, she could easily find someone who can.
So the questions are..
1) Do you think it WAS Sorilea? If not then who else had the motivation to frame Cadsuane and take none of the spoils for themselves?
We all know that Sorilea learns weaves instantly, and even if she wasnt strong enough to undo them, she could easily find someone who can.
So the questions are..
1) Do you think it WAS Sorilea? If not then who else had the motivation to frame Cadsuane and take none of the spoils for themselves?
It might have been, but not necessarily. The truth is that no such "traitor" is actually necessary. Remember that Cadsuane was foolish enough to keep the bracelet and the access key in a box in her _room_. That would be the first place anyone would look ofcourse, so there was no need for Sorilea or anyone to tell the shadow.
As for the question of how the wards protecting the box were bypassed, Sanderson actually told us:
Q. How did Elza defeat the wards on Cadsuane's plain wooden box?
A. Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves, and in other ways made into a tool of Shaidar Haran. Not all of it was pleasant for her.
If Sorilea had revealed to the Shadow how to unravel the wards, then the "rarely known weaves" would not have been required. No, I think Elza was taught some obscure AoL techniques on breaking through wards, and she went to Cadsuanes room (the obvious place) and used those weaves to get the bracelet.
2) If you think it was her, is she working for the Shadow or defending the Aiel against Cadsuane's influence?
IF it was her, then she is obviously working for the shadow since if she was involved she must have informed Shaidar Haran.
3) How did she untie the weaves, and if she couldnt then who did she get to do it?
Elza broke the weaves thanks to whatever SH taught her.
4) If she is working for the Shadow why would she allow Rand to get his hands back on the Choeden Kal and not hold on to it herself or get it to a Chosen?
The question has been debated. It has been suggested that the DO wanted Rand to have the access key, so that when he went mad from using TP he would do mad things with it. Other possibility is that Elza was so panicked by meeting SH that she simply neglected to pick it up.
Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM
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it's been discussed a lot
12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM
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Really? All the questions it poses?
12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM
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Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM*
12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM
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see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM*
12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM
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Re: Really? All the questions it poses?
12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM
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not really
12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM
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Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza
12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM
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As demonstrated in TGS...
12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM
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We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave
12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM
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I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions
12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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Both Bair and Sorilea knew
12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM
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Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand?
12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM
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Can't be Sorilea
13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM
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Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM
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Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM
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I think that Couladin was a dark friend.
13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM
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I'd be surprised, actually.
13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM
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Couladin and Asmodean
13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
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Re: Couladin and Asmodean
13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM
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Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic.
14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM
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Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM*
15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM
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Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO)
15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM
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*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM*
15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM
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