I will admit Rand's secret was a big test of friendship...
Comet Sedai Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 02:44:17 AM
However, contrast Egwene's response to learning his secret (she immediately embraces him and says it doesn't change a thing about who he is), with Mat's (Gaaah! I'm sleeping somewhere else!). Perrin's response was a bit more friendly-ish, I'll admit. But still, Mat and Rand have been friends since they were babies. Egwene he has only known well in the recent past.
Later, when Perrin develops his own far-from-being-the-Anti-anything secret, he's ashamed to tell his friends. Again, it is Egwene who responds as a friend (granted, she was there at the time he first learned the news).
And please don't compare sisterly bonds here, it only makes my point stronger! Namely, that women form fast friendships in Randland both pre- and post-Rand, but instances of close male companionship seems to have been a very rare thing pre-Rand (incidentally, my post was explicitly about the world pre-Rand; your comments about Thom and Juilin's friendship are valid, but again, they were brought together by Rand and Lan; pre-Rand, both were loners).
Frankly, regarding 'realistic' world-building, this was always something that seemed, at first glance, to be somewhat unrealistic to me, except that I think it was intentional. Charismatic men are immediately assumed to be evil; there's just a pervasive sense in Randland that all men are untrustworthy, possibly due to Red Ajah influence. Meanwhile, the Whitecloaks have been spitting in the eye of White Tower influence (and opinion of men) for years--although their own moral compass has been pointing due south lately.
So, back to my original pondering: post-Last Battle, will there be female Children of the Light? Some amalgamation of the Tinkers and the White Cloaks as a practical, yet peaceful organization?
Later, when Perrin develops his own far-from-being-the-Anti-anything secret, he's ashamed to tell his friends. Again, it is Egwene who responds as a friend (granted, she was there at the time he first learned the news).
And please don't compare sisterly bonds here, it only makes my point stronger! Namely, that women form fast friendships in Randland both pre- and post-Rand, but instances of close male companionship seems to have been a very rare thing pre-Rand (incidentally, my post was explicitly about the world pre-Rand; your comments about Thom and Juilin's friendship are valid, but again, they were brought together by Rand and Lan; pre-Rand, both were loners).
Frankly, regarding 'realistic' world-building, this was always something that seemed, at first glance, to be somewhat unrealistic to me, except that I think it was intentional. Charismatic men are immediately assumed to be evil; there's just a pervasive sense in Randland that all men are untrustworthy, possibly due to Red Ajah influence. Meanwhile, the Whitecloaks have been spitting in the eye of White Tower influence (and opinion of men) for years--although their own moral compass has been pointing due south lately.
So, back to my original pondering: post-Last Battle, will there be female Children of the Light? Some amalgamation of the Tinkers and the White Cloaks as a practical, yet peaceful organization?
Short answer: If you are looking for brotherly or sisterly bonding in an organization, you may be looking in the wrong place.
I think you may be overlooking the interactions of Mat, Perrin and Rand before the quest started in earnest, Beslan Mitsobar and his relationship to Mat and Thom and Juilin's relationships. There has always been brotherly (and sisterly, looking moreso at Elayne, Egwene and Nynaeve) bonding.
For example, "the first hint of trouble" you refer to revolves around one of the three main male characters becoming the Antichrist that will apparently go insane and destroy the world. Plot convenience aside, that is some pretty scary stuff to have to deal with especially confronted with the idea that your friend actually does have those powers, and I think it comes down to the idea that this is a childhood friendship that quite frankly would never have been tested to such a degree so early in these characters' lives, so some of their communication issues are understandable.
It just comes down to the fact that organizations backed up by military force or political clout are so institutionalized that they easily lose track of the belief systems that united them in the first place - The Aes Sedai, The Black Tower & The Children of Light share more similarities with each other than the relationships that develop around and between individuals.
Part of the success of WoT, after all, is that it is so familiar to readers and parts of the worldbuilding are based on real life rather than more fantastical elements.
I think you may be overlooking the interactions of Mat, Perrin and Rand before the quest started in earnest, Beslan Mitsobar and his relationship to Mat and Thom and Juilin's relationships. There has always been brotherly (and sisterly, looking moreso at Elayne, Egwene and Nynaeve) bonding.
For example, "the first hint of trouble" you refer to revolves around one of the three main male characters becoming the Antichrist that will apparently go insane and destroy the world. Plot convenience aside, that is some pretty scary stuff to have to deal with especially confronted with the idea that your friend actually does have those powers, and I think it comes down to the idea that this is a childhood friendship that quite frankly would never have been tested to such a degree so early in these characters' lives, so some of their communication issues are understandable.
It just comes down to the fact that organizations backed up by military force or political clout are so institutionalized that they easily lose track of the belief systems that united them in the first place - The Aes Sedai, The Black Tower & The Children of Light share more similarities with each other than the relationships that develop around and between individuals.
Part of the success of WoT, after all, is that it is so familiar to readers and parts of the worldbuilding are based on real life rather than more fantastical elements.
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Character discussion 11 : The Whitecloaks
26/07/2010 08:33:50 AM
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I think Galad will lead them to their "epiphany" at TG
26/07/2010 08:53:52 AM
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Re: I think Galad will lead them to their "epiphany" at TG
27/07/2010 07:44:08 AM
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Have lost a lot of my interest since both Carridin and Niall died off
26/07/2010 06:44:58 PM
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None. Uninteresting villains.
28/07/2010 04:32:01 PM
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Re: None. Uninteresting villains.
29/07/2010 03:15:16 PM
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The only band of brothers pre-Rand?
04/08/2010 03:38:43 AM
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I don't think so, though.
04/08/2010 10:39:55 PM
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I will admit Rand's secret was a big test of friendship...
05/08/2010 02:44:17 AM
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Their proper name is "Children of the Light." Will there be a discussion on the "Tar Valon Witches"? *NM*
06/08/2010 12:03:27 PM
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Maybe, Child Cannoli. *NM*
06/08/2010 05:52:53 PM
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Go read about saidar, child *NM*
06/08/2010 05:57:27 PM
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Repent your madness, the pair of you. No one is so far into the Shadow he cannot return to the Light *NM*
06/08/2010 10:56:58 PM
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