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Re: read the oaths again Datakim Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 01:08:32 AM

I think it's safe to assume Elaida knows all the weaves learned in the Rebel camp. The big question is would the Seanchan know to ask her about it? It's going to take weeks if not months to break her to the point where she will openly volunteer such information. Then the Seanchan would have to think up this very unlikely user for Cuendillar too ... seems very far fetched.


I expect that Elaida will break quickly, but you are right that the hassle of this would not be worth it. Thats why I came up with the new idea of just warding the collars with OP so that the AS weaves of air are blocked. We know that is possible (Rand has done such) and it would prevent the AS from opening collars without first breaking through the ward.


True they would have no problem chopping of heads, but they can't reopen the collar if it's sealed in Cuendillar so there is no way to put it on a new damane!


The idea was to arrange the cuendillar-cover and the adam in such a way that it could not be opened while a damane was wearing it, but could when the head was out of the way. Might take a bit of fiddling to come up with a proper design but I think it would be possible.


The Oath has miles of wriggle room ... it states she won't use the Power as a weapon except in defense of her own life, that of a Warder or another Sister... all the Seanchan have to do is start weaving lethal flows where any AS or Warder might be in mortal danger and all AS can go to town on the damane. If you think about it this is the Warders primary reason for living!


The warders argument came up earlier. Against the damane the warders would drop like flies basically. By the time the warder was in danger from damane, he would likely be dead a few seconds later. How long could the AS maintain such losses? And what would the Warder losses do to recruitment numbers. Or the mental health of the AS who are losing so many warders.

As for risk to ones life, yes once the AS feels she is in danger of dying she can use the OP to kill, but not before. We have _seen_ this happen several times during the books. The AS have to wait until the enemy is near enough to threaten them, or in cases where they need to attack (such as Dumais Wells) actually run straight into the enemy forces. It might be easier to convince themselves of the danger since the damane can use OP, but not until the fight begins. It is a real weakness.


Egwene did just fine and she's not got all that much more combat experience. You are also assuming that the AS won't be defending against lethal weaves. Look how well they were doing against the Shaido WO (who for the record were throwing the same basic lethal weaves we've seen of the damane), Galina's group fended off 10:1 odds for quiet some time.


Egwene also had a super-powerfull sa'angreal. As for the Shaido WO, I was under the impression that the WO are not allowed to normally fight. As such it is likely that the WO actually suck even more in fights than the AS do. As for damane skills, I am less sure of that. We do know that some damane atleast are quite skilled (Alivia vs Cyndane).


It's not like the damane are particularly skilled with the OP, they just know how to work in a military construct. The AS are clearly the most skilled overall, the raid highlighted how unorganized and how unwilling the AS were to work together, not really how poor they were at combat weaves. Egwene's success should point out the damane weakness and the advantages the AS have when working together.


I cannot really agree. I mean where would the AS have developed their combat skills? They don't fight trollocs, they don't take part in wars and the few male channelers they capture are usually hapless victims with no real skills. Even their weaves don't really seem all that great. I think when it comes down to combat skill and experience, the Asha'man are the most deadly, followed by the damane/sul'dam and the AS as third.


Personally I think it has more to do with AS mindset. These women are not used to working together on such scale. Sure a few will join forces and link to stop a single man, but that's generally seen as a quick "project" before each woman goes her own way again. The BT represents a philosophical change in the Towers organization. It would take years of concerted and coordinated effort with little or no break to tear down the BT. Meaning no more "volunteer duty" for the AS on this front.


I cannot agree here either. Look at the sheer horror&teror that the Asha'man inspire in the AS. Given that, it is hard to believe that the AS would not be willing to come together in major links if needed. Not to mention the fact that even in their discussions the AS admit that they cannot stop the BT. Surely they would have added the qualifier "unless we all link" if what you say is true. But they just say "its too late to stop BT", fullstop. No, I belive that the truth is that circles are not the super weapon that would allow the AS to defeat all single opponents. Helpfull yes, but no more.


it's no more an advantage to the damane than to the AS. But in fact they may only know how to invert weaves (meaning a completed weave is hidden after the fact), not reverse them (the act of making your weaving invisible at the time of weaving) ... there is a difference as we saw when Lanfear faced Alivia.


I know, but I thought the AS now had both techniques from Moghedien?
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