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Re: they can't fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 07:09:45 AM

Maybe. But even if this is true, there is nothing preventing them from first creating an a'dam collar and putting it on a damane, and then creating a perfectly ordinary metal collar, putting it over the a'dam and then sealing it shut. That way the a'dam could not be removed without first ripping out the sealed ordinary collar. Not that this is impossible, but it would make things harder for the AS.

But that still won't prevent the a'dam bracelet from opening. So the Sul'dam will still not be able to control the damane. Unless you think the Sul'dam will let the bracelet be sealed onto their wrists.

And ofcourse if the Seanchan learn the secret of cuendillar from a captured sister (does Elaida know the weave?) then its game over. Any damane will be damane for life even if rescued because the collar cannot be removed by any means without destroying the cuendillar collar protecting the a'dam collar.

I don't think any of the captives know how to make it. Beonin may have revealed it, but she couldn't make it, and says as much to Elaida.

Even if the do learn how to make cuendillar, I doubt they'd waste a'dam by permanently attaching them to one person. A'dam aren't exactly easy to make.


Sure, if they want to start sacrifing warders by the dozen. The damane would utterly slaughter them afterall. This would have the negative effect of the snapping bonds causing trauma to the AS, and also would likely result in a lot less warder recruits.

I'm very confused why you think the Aes Sedai have to begin by attacking to kill the damane. They can start the attack by shielding them, and wrapping soldiers up in air, for example. That will make the damane attack as well, and then the Aes Sedai can let loose.


It would happen. Even if linked circle is stronger, they are not invulnerable. Even if for every AS that dies, 3 damane are killed, that would still end up with AS killed and angreal available.

But look at the circle of the Sea Folk (Chanelle and co.) in KoD. That was eight women facing eight others, and one of the BA had a rod that makes Balefire. Chanelle was able to kill one, and shield all the others in one go. That is a rather major advantage.

As I said before, if a circle with angreal were unstoppable, then the black tower would not be a problem at all and the AS would have no reason to worry. And yet we know the AS are terrified and freely admit that they no longer have the power to challenge the asha'man, despite the fact that the asha'man cannot link anymore than the damane can.

That's because these are men. It is easier for AS to shield women than men. Also, they can see the damane's weaves, as opposed to fighting something invisible with the Asha'man.

Circles are a nice advantage, but not the answer to all problems.

Of course. But they're a major advantage in battle, as Egwene proved. Look at the minimal losses she suffered fighting the Seanchan.


We have never seen it happen in the series though. Everytime the AS take part in a battle against humans, they have to place themselves in danger first.

Like I said, they can start by shielding and weaves of air.
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