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Re: they can't Datakim Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 02:27:45 AM

the seanchan have been copying an old design of an original ter'angreal for hundreds of years i doubt any have the ability the design a new one from scratch considering the first was made by an AS


Maybe. But even if this is true, there is nothing preventing them from first creating an a'dam collar and putting it on a damane, and then creating a perfectly ordinary metal collar, putting it over the a'dam and then sealing it shut. That way the a'dam could not be removed without first ripping out the sealed ordinary collar. Not that this is impossible, but it would make things harder for the AS.

And ofcourse if the Seanchan learn the secret of cuendillar from a captured sister (does Elaida know the weave?) then its game over. Any damane will be damane for life even if rescued because the collar cannot be removed by any means without destroying the cuendillar collar protecting the a'dam collar.


they can just throw the warders into the mix and the oaths become void. they'll never have the element of surprise being besieged anyhow


Sure, if they want to start sacrifing warders by the dozen. The damane would utterly slaughter them afterall. This would have the negative effect of the snapping bonds causing trauma to the AS, and also would likely result in a lot less warder recruits.


this boils down to whether you believe a linked angreal wielding circle of AS are stronger than the seanchan. i can't the see seanchan getting their hands on any angreal


It would happen. Even if linked circle is stronger, they are not invulnerable. Even if for every AS that dies, 3 damane are killed, that would still end up with AS killed and angreal available.

As I said before, if a circle with angreal were unstoppable, then the black tower would not be a problem at all and the AS would have no reason to worry. And yet we know the AS are terrified and freely admit that they no longer have the power to challenge the asha'man, despite the fact that the asha'man cannot link anymore than the damane can.

Circles are a nice advantage, but not the answer to all problems.


the AS are masters of finding loopholes in those oaths, they've been doing it covertly for hundreds of years, it's been said as much, the oaths are charade so that the public believe them to be controlled


We have never seen it happen in the series though. Everytime the AS take part in a battle against humans, they have to place themselves in danger first.

Sure, if you could find and AS who truly _believed_ that she was in mortal danger even when the Seanchan were not yet attacking (Egwene and other traumatised former damane AS would likely work) then this AS could attack. But I suspect there are less of these than you think. Most AS would be at a disadvantage in having to place themselves into battle situation first (or sacrifice a warder).
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Interrogate the Damane. Great Lord of Chaos - 05/08/2010 10:32:17 PM 598 Views
unlikely that she would go there darius_sedai - 06/08/2010 05:37:18 PM 726 Views
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