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they can't Foxhead Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 12:54:46 AM
One possibility that occurs to me is that if the AS start uncollaring damane all the time and gain a significant advantage that way, the Seanchan could well adapt and modify the a'dam to make this impossible.

They could for example add somekind of complicated locks to any new a'dam that would be difficult for the AS to "pick" with air in a combat situation. Or they could just melt the two sides of the collar together so that the collar literally cannot be removed at all.


the seanchan have been copying an old design of an original ter'angreal for hundreds of years i doubt any have the ability the design a new one from scratch considering the first was made by an AS



Can the AS attack without exposing themselves to danger. If they are the ones in a position to initiate a fight, then obviously the Seanchan don't know they are there yet which means the three oaths kick in.


they can just throw the warders into the mix and the oaths become void. they'll never have the element of surprise being besieged anyhow

This is true. Though there is no reason why a damane could not use an angreal too. It seems likely that the Seanchan could capture these for themselves from the bodies of dead/captured AS or through raids and balance the scales. Though it is true that this would give the AS a temporary advantage atleast.


this boils down to whether you believe a linked angreal wielding circle of AS are stronger than the seanchan. i can't the see seanchan getting their hands on any angreal



The trouble is that the three oaths are a massive disadvantage and I don't think they are as easily countered as you think. Combat skills also develop through experience and time, so it will take them time to learn, during which the Seanchan could be constantly attacking and thinning the AS numbers.

And ofcourse if the struggle happens before the last battle, the shadow would likely be covertly helping the Seanchan side to weaken the AS in prepartion for TG.


the AS are masters of finding loopholes in those oaths, they've been doing it covertly for hundreds of years, it's been said as much, the oaths are charade so that the public believe them to be controlled
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Interrogate the Damane. Great Lord of Chaos - 05/08/2010 10:32:17 PM 598 Views
unlikely that she would go there darius_sedai - 06/08/2010 05:37:18 PM 726 Views
Re: unlikely that she would go there Datakim - 06/08/2010 07:47:41 PM 635 Views
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