Sounds something like the theory from the old TP called
"Serving the Dark One is morally OK? Or how I learned to stop worrying and love Ishamael"
Submitted by Souvramael Posted on 9/21/2007 10:43:24 AM
There is a fish there but not a golfish but a piranha. But it is about the turnings of the wheel , the motivations behind Ishamaels actions and the freeing of the Dark One.
This might not be it but I'll keep searching.
All credits to Souvramael for these quotes
Quote:"I have a piranha which I keep in an acquarium, ie a prison. Being not very intelligent, and without further information, it doesn't realize that it is a prison. Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter, since if it were to break out, it will not be able to have a proper social life amongst humans. In fact, it would die, unless I throw it back into its acquarium in time, for its own good. I imprison the piranha in an acquarium, nor do I shove my hand into the acquarium, I rather value my fingers. Nor am I evil for enslaving the fish, as I am sure you will all agree. That is another metaphor for the Creator and the DO."
End Quote
About freeing the Dark One is morally OK
Quote
"Ultimately, it is also OK from a utilitarian perspective. If you're wrong, in the big scheme of things, later good will balance out today's evil. If you're right, then either all suffering will cease (oblivion), or there will be ever greater opportunities to do good (neutral linear time), as well as bad"
End Quote
Quote:"We need a major rethink about the motivations and characters of the Forsaken, above all that of Ishamael, to a lesser extent Lanfear. (Ironic that by this analysis the two most important of the Chosen are also the most sympathetic - if it is indeed the case that they came to the conclusions outlined here).
While their crimes while serving the DO are not justifiable in themselves by most ethical systems, they might be if considered as means to a possibly better end."
End quote.
What do you think about this?
"Serving the Dark One is morally OK? Or how I learned to stop worrying and love Ishamael"
Submitted by Souvramael Posted on 9/21/2007 10:43:24 AM
There is a fish there but not a golfish but a piranha. But it is about the turnings of the wheel , the motivations behind Ishamaels actions and the freeing of the Dark One.
This might not be it but I'll keep searching.
All credits to Souvramael for these quotes
Quote:"I have a piranha which I keep in an acquarium, ie a prison. Being not very intelligent, and without further information, it doesn't realize that it is a prison. Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter, since if it were to break out, it will not be able to have a proper social life amongst humans. In fact, it would die, unless I throw it back into its acquarium in time, for its own good. I imprison the piranha in an acquarium, nor do I shove my hand into the acquarium, I rather value my fingers. Nor am I evil for enslaving the fish, as I am sure you will all agree. That is another metaphor for the Creator and the DO."
End Quote
About freeing the Dark One is morally OK
Quote
"Ultimately, it is also OK from a utilitarian perspective. If you're wrong, in the big scheme of things, later good will balance out today's evil. If you're right, then either all suffering will cease (oblivion), or there will be ever greater opportunities to do good (neutral linear time), as well as bad"
End Quote
Quote:"We need a major rethink about the motivations and characters of the Forsaken, above all that of Ishamael, to a lesser extent Lanfear. (Ironic that by this analysis the two most important of the Chosen are also the most sympathetic - if it is indeed the case that they came to the conclusions outlined here).
While their crimes while serving the DO are not justifiable in themselves by most ethical systems, they might be if considered as means to a possibly better end."
End quote.
What do you think about this?
On the old theory post, I'm sure someone wrote something along those lines - I can't remeber the name or author - and it looked at the morality of serving the Dark One and breaking the wheel. It came out that, depending on a few factors, like the number of turnings of the wheel, and what would happen, it would be morally virtuous to help free the Dark One. I think an analogy was that if you are a goldfish trapped in a bowl, are you right to break the bowl and become free? Even if it means the death of you and all of the other fish?
"I didn't have much to say to anybody but kept to myself and my books. With my eyes closed, I would touch a familiar book and draw it's fragrance deep inside me. This was enough to make me happy."
— Haruki Murakami (Norwegian Wood
— Haruki Murakami (Norwegian Wood
This message last edited by Dragonsworn on 09/09/2009 at 05:48:53 PM
Ishamael - The real good guy
- 09/09/2009 02:13:58 PM
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There was a theory...
- 09/09/2009 02:47:15 PM
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This might be the theory you mean..
- 09/09/2009 05:47:56 PM
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I was thinking earlier how, in other series, the whole "forever circle" of the WoT would be terrible
- 09/09/2009 05:49:08 PM
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This made me think...
- 09/09/2009 10:29:10 PM
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Indeed Ishamael seems to now things others don't
- 09/09/2009 10:56:04 PM
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I think that's just more of the "everything is cyclic" thing
- 09/09/2009 11:47:59 PM
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I just like the thought of Moridin being the übergenius who knows everything 
- 09/09/2009 11:59:13 PM
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- 09/09/2009 11:59:13 PM
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