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Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM
We know from RJ that there was a previous version of SH in TDR, when Ishy was still around, SH 0.5. As said, we also have a SH PoV, where he spies on Sammael & Graendal, muses on his limitations and states that he is a Myrddraal (though a special one) and can't channel the OP (but use the TP). RJ later elaborated on this, telling that the DO projected his shadowy self into the body of a Myrddraal. SH is "the Dark One in shadowy form" and this all the time ("twenty-four/seven" as RJ put it). On the other hand, Moridin thinks of the DO as a separate being.


I'm glad you brought this up. I never liked that when we first saw SH he was SH "0.5" without explanation other than that RJ hadnt worked him out yet.

However, consider that he first appeared as "0.5" while Ishy was alive. Then, we next see SH after Ishy dies and and around his transmigration, but he is now a new and improved SH without explanation. I think one explanation is that he was juxtaposed with Moridin ala Luc/Isam.
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Moridin & Shadar Haran saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1588 Views
No... Etzel - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 980 Views
Re: No... saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 888 Views
Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! Narg - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 844 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 685 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) Mik - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 903 Views
I haven't seen those answers either so I'm interested. I don't think they're the same Deadsy - 23/07/2010 08:49:11 AM 792 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 985 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below Mik - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 838 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. Mik - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1137 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 892 Views
Au contraire. Mik - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 989 Views
But why... Etzel - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 835 Views
Re: But why... Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 869 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. Mik - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 894 Views
I think it would have to work this way: Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 832 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. Mik - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 933 Views
Um not quite Ryan - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 796 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1028 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1061 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... Etzel - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 751 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Mik - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 850 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 849 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 799 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Etzel - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 865 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 725 Views
The problem is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 682 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. Mik - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 788 Views
I already answered all this... Etzel - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 798 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 907 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 737 Views
Agreed then. Mik - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 893 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: Mik - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 822 Views
No problem Etzel - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 869 Views
Why does that scene matter? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 776 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 419 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. Mik - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 954 Views
Just to understand you correctly... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 790 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? Mik - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 867 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 834 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Lord Haart - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 725 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... Etzel - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 683 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 901 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Gher - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 770 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 674 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... Gher - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 701 Views
One should also remember... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 708 Views
Eh? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 737 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 778 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 816 Views
I think... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 628 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Mik - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 869 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 752 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? Lohikaarme - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 677 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* Mik - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 914 Views
Not the same individual DomA - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 757 Views
Re: Not the same individual Lord Haart - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 646 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. Mik - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 940 Views
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