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Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM
I am sure the idea has been brought up before, but I would like to hear you guys' thoughts on the chances that Shadar Haran and Moridin are one in the same just as Luc/Isam?


Both had separated PoV, and in various answers RJ & BS made clear that both are independent characters.


Thanks! "ask a simple question...."


Ok then, well my first response to Etzel would be to please provide the answers RJ & BS gave that made clear that both are independant characters.


The reasons for my theory...


SH exhibits characteristics that are more human than Fade. One the one hand, this could simply be the characteristics of a "superfade." We havent seen other superfades so we cant compare. On the other hand, since he is the DO's Hand, he is clearly closely connected to the DO, however, it is hard to accept that his non-fade-ness comes from the DO's personality. These characteristics appear human. A connection with a human could explain where they come from.

This is entirely based on old recollection, but dont we see SH appear after Ishy's death and sometime in the story around when the "watcher" (moridin) appears?

Moridin is Nae'blis (apparrently) and Shadar Haran is the DO's Hand.

They have acted in concert on at least one occastion. I can recall one scene where SH exits and Moridin enters in SG. I beleive this was with Moggy. I can be wrong there on the person.

They both appear to be strictly following the DO's bidding. I can be wrong, but i do not recall outside scheming by either. I do recall SH expressing a desire to be free from the connection to SG. But this can be interpreted several ways. One way is literally free from servitude to the DO. Another is simply free from being bound to SG to the extent that he weakens over time and/or distance.

However, despite the proximity of goals, purpose and actions, we have never seen them together. Moreover, we have never seen either one refer to the other. I find this very odd.

Also, that SH and Moridin each were not at the cleansing raises an eyebrow.

In response to the PoV argument, i would say that while convincing, it is not conclusive. Each PoV of a Luc/Isam persona is independant of eachother. The fact that we have not seen one persona refer to the other does not conclusively disprove that a juxtaposed persona exists.


Also throwing this out there for an explanation, perhaps the Nae'blis is the DO's vessel.


This message last edited by saidarisnowtainted on 27/07/2010 at 04:14:58 PM
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No... - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 934 Views
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Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 810 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 647 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 861 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 958 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 800 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1098 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 852 Views
Au contraire. - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 948 Views
But why... - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 808 Views
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Again. RJ fooled you. - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 851 Views
I think it would have to work this way: - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 794 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 892 Views
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Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 987 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1018 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 712 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 818 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 811 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 764 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 834 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 683 Views
The problem is... - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 639 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 751 Views
I already answered all this... - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 766 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 871 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 706 Views
Agreed then. - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 855 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 793 Views
No problem - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 840 Views
Why does that scene matter? - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 728 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 401 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 919 Views
Just to understand you correctly... - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 759 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 835 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 800 Views
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The DO has control over Moridin... - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 647 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 860 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 727 Views
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True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 672 Views
One should also remember... - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 669 Views
Eh? - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 691 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 743 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 776 Views
I think... - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 593 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 835 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 710 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 642 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 869 Views
Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 717 Views
Re: Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 607 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 905 Views

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