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So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM
You fail to provide a good reason for why they left the CK behind yet you still call the idea stupid if true. You also forget that Rand, himself, realized how dangerous the CK was and voluntarily destroyed it himself.

He realized how dangerous he was, not the sa'angreal.

He realized that no mortal could properly wield that amount of power.

Except that they could, and have done so to cleanse saidin. It was also one of only two plans made to destroy the Shadow.

The CK was the pattern's answer to the taint, but it was not needed for the Last Battle-- which is why the CK was not mentioned in the Karethon Cycle. Therefore you idea of the CK doing a lot of good for the light doesn't make any sense.

Is Nynaeve mentioned in the Karaethon Cycle? Is Egwene? Just because something isn't prophesized doesn't mean it doesn't play a large role is setting up the Dragon Reborn for his victory. The prophecies are also vague and filled with symbolism.

The CK in the hands of a madman like Rand was a near ideal situation for the Dark One.

Really? More ideal than in the hands of the Nae'blis? This 'reverse destruction' theory is a vague hypothesis at best. It can't be proven or disproven.

Rand very nearly did the Dark One's work for him by destroying the pattern.

Moridin would have intentionally done a better job.

It may not have been the primary plan, but I think it is quite reasonable that the Dark One left the CK for Rand on purpose. I have yet to see a better explanation for why the CK was left behind.

The better explanation is the logical one - it was overlooked or impossible to steal it at the time. We don't even know if SH looked into the box. More likely he sent Elza and she fetched the band. The thought of straying from her mission would incomprehensible when serving a walking terror like SH.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1577 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 788 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 239 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 247 Views
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Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 489 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 509 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 528 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 482 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 561 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 511 Views
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Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 501 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 520 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 579 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 626 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 541 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 524 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 543 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 517 Views
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Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 586 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 542 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 577 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 507 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 497 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 581 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 500 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 561 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 507 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 466 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 493 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 225 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 439 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 492 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 510 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 485 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 208 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 459 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 497 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 513 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 518 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 507 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 521 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 570 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 548 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 470 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 506 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 511 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 511 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 500 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 477 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 473 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 481 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 467 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 474 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 485 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 452 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 502 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 461 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 431 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 796 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 221 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 210 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 470 Views
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