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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM

It's much more likely that SH can't interact with ter'angreal due to his limitations.


Except it was Elza who picked up the male a'dam and gave it to Semirhage under SH's orders. SH could just as easily have ordered Elza to pick up the access key and take it to Moridin without touching it himself.

Heck, why did Elza not choose to do this herself? She KNEW what the access key was since she was at the cleansing, and even if she could not use it himself it would have made an incredible bargaining chip for the male forsaken. That might imply that SH wanted the access key left there for some reason and ordered Elza to leave it.


Maybe (that's what I actually think is the most likely) but it's not necessarily right.

SH causes such terror (look at Alviarin) that Elza was very likely on "cruise control", merely obeying orders and questionning nothing. The last thing on her mind would have been "personal initiative". With SH, Alviarin didn't think straight and try to look her best, she lost all her means and grovelled.

Shaidar Haran may not have been in the room with Elza, and Elza strictly obeyed its orders to steal the DB and bring it to him.

Or if SH was with her, he may have had no idea or interest in the statuette beside the DB. He didn't care to ask Elza what it might be, he was there to fetch the object with which Semirhage was to capture Rand and didn't get disctrated by anything else. Not very human of him not to be curious about that object in the warded trunk, but as RJ pointed out, Shai'tan doesn't think like a human being.



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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1578 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 788 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 240 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 247 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 697 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 689 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 631 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 490 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 510 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 528 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 482 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 562 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 511 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 524 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 501 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 521 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 579 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 627 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 541 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 525 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 543 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 517 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 586 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 587 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 542 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 577 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 508 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 497 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 582 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 501 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 562 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 507 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 466 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 493 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 225 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 440 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 492 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 510 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 485 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 208 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 459 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 498 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 513 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 518 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 508 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 521 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 571 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 548 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 471 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 506 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 512 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 511 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 500 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 477 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 473 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 481 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 467 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 475 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 485 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 453 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 502 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 462 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 432 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 796 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 221 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 211 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 470 Views
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