Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it
Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM
Moridin predicted the exact path Rand would follow if he happened to channel the True Power.
Moridin knew Rand's mind better than anyone else due to their mental connection. I personally think Moridin predicted the path that Rand would follow-- a path leading to addiction to the True Power, despair, and utter darkness with no regard for the pattern anymore. Moridin would know this since he, himself, has walked this exact path. The Choedan Kal in dark Rand's hands could no good for the world, even if it was used to kill a Forsaken. The amount of damage Rand created was far more than Graendal would have ever created.
Moridin understood that a dark-Rand would be so hard that he would no longer have any regard for the consequences of his actions in preparing for the Last Battle. Rand began doing reckless things like balefiring a whole palace and he almost balefired his own father and the entire Seanchan army. Moridin understood that Rand might follow this path because Moridin, himself, had already followed this path. Moridin also understood that the Choedan Kal posed no real threat to the Dark One. As we began to learn in TGS, power is not the key to defeating the DO. The DO really doesn't care how much damage Rand can do with the CK if Rand is ultimately destroying the pattern in the process. Moridin left the CK with Rand so that Rand could do the Dark One's own work: the ultimate Fisher.
Rand ultimately realized something that Moridin could never know: the power of love. Moridin could not have predicted Rand's epiphany on Dragonmount. Rand realized that power was not the key to winning the Last Battle.
We will probably learn more in AMOL, but I actually think it is reasonable that Moridin/SH/the DO had schemed the possibility that Rand might draw on the True Power.
Moridin knew Rand's mind better than anyone else due to their mental connection. I personally think Moridin predicted the path that Rand would follow-- a path leading to addiction to the True Power, despair, and utter darkness with no regard for the pattern anymore. Moridin would know this since he, himself, has walked this exact path. The Choedan Kal in dark Rand's hands could no good for the world, even if it was used to kill a Forsaken. The amount of damage Rand created was far more than Graendal would have ever created.
Moridin understood that a dark-Rand would be so hard that he would no longer have any regard for the consequences of his actions in preparing for the Last Battle. Rand began doing reckless things like balefiring a whole palace and he almost balefired his own father and the entire Seanchan army. Moridin understood that Rand might follow this path because Moridin, himself, had already followed this path. Moridin also understood that the Choedan Kal posed no real threat to the Dark One. As we began to learn in TGS, power is not the key to defeating the DO. The DO really doesn't care how much damage Rand can do with the CK if Rand is ultimately destroying the pattern in the process. Moridin left the CK with Rand so that Rand could do the Dark One's own work: the ultimate Fisher.
Rand ultimately realized something that Moridin could never know: the power of love. Moridin could not have predicted Rand's epiphany on Dragonmount. Rand realized that power was not the key to winning the Last Battle.
We will probably learn more in AMOL, but I actually think it is reasonable that Moridin/SH/the DO had schemed the possibility that Rand might draw on the True Power.
Otherwise leaving it behind doesn't make real sense in any scenario:
Of course, if Rand is captured, you would leave a potential weapon behind for the Lightside to rescue him. On the other hand, if Rand is held at SG, you can't really use the OP without risking unpredictable results and likely Rand's death.
However, if Rand uses the TP and is tainted, it also makes sense to remove the Chodean Kal, because without that much potential OP strength it would be even harder for Rand to resist using the TP again and become completely addicted.
Of course, if Rand is captured, you would leave a potential weapon behind for the Lightside to rescue him. On the other hand, if Rand is held at SG, you can't really use the OP without risking unpredictable results and likely Rand's death.
However, if Rand uses the TP and is tainted, it also makes sense to remove the Chodean Kal, because without that much potential OP strength it would be even harder for Rand to resist using the TP again and become completely addicted.
foreshadowing of Semirhage's death
25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM
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I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed
25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM
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I disagree about the TP aspect
25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM
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Re: I disagree about the TP aspect
25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM
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It's an interesting theory in either direction
25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM
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Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction
26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM
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BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use."
26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM
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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use."
27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM
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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use."
27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM
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Re: I disagree about the TP aspect
26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM
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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books
26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
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You were right the first time
26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM
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I think the question is...
26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM
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I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage
26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM
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I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key
26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM
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Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it
26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM
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Unlikely, and stupid if true
26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM
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That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth.
27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM
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Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth.
27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM
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I fail to see the relevance. *NM*
27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM
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the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK
27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM
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Are you certain?
27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM
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??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern
27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM
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So why not give it to Moridin then?
27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM
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If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed
27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM
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Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"?
27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM
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It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam
27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM
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This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others.
26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM
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Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there.
27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM
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Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series
26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM
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Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series
26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM
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You confuse foreshadowing and predictability
27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM
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That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM*
27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM
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I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot.
27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM
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