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But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM
That some time after Ishy's death, Sammael took control of Carridin. Serving his new master, certainly protected Carridin in a way. After all, Carridin wasn't immediately killed in LoC or ACoS, when SH and Moridin appeared, but not until after Sammael's death. He also wasn't killed in the way SH 0.5. threatened him, namely being tortured for years at SG, but rather quickly. Besides that, SH 0.5. gave the command to kill Rand, and we know that Moridin didn't want that after he was transmigrated.
Sammaels protection was bogus! Sammael protecting an insect? Ha! Sammael could care less.

And for all we know, Carridin could have been taken to Shayol Ghul still. If Shai'tan can catch Souls/ Minds to Transmigrate, why couldn't he catch Carridins dirty Darkfriend Soul to torture for all eternity and-then-some.
Reminds me of that burned darkfriend dying in TEotW looking hapilly untill the very last second in TAR.
Reminds me of the fire in the hearth at Shayol Ghul; all those tormented faces!

Besides, it's irrelevant if the promise is kept to the letter;
When Ishamael died, the killing stopped for 2 months.
The fact remains, no matter how much you clutter it with additional stuff..
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Moridin & Shadar Haran saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1828 Views
No... Etzel - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 1203 Views
Re: No... saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 1108 Views
Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! Narg - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 1045 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 907 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) Mik - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 1119 Views
I haven't seen those answers either so I'm interested. I don't think they're the same Deadsy - 23/07/2010 08:49:11 AM 982 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 1219 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below Mik - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 1057 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. Mik - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1377 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 1099 Views
Au contraire. Mik - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 1218 Views
But why... Etzel - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 1041 Views
Re: But why... Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 1121 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. Mik - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 1126 Views
I think it would have to work this way: Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 1061 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. Mik - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 1155 Views
Um not quite Ryan - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 1004 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1376 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1367 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... Etzel - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 965 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Mik - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 1084 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 1063 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 1007 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Etzel - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 1044 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 931 Views
The problem is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 903 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. Mik - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 1002 Views
I already answered all this... Etzel - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 1020 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 1117 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 966 Views
Agreed then. Mik - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 1093 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: Mik - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 1052 Views
No problem Etzel - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 1102 Views
Why does that scene matter? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 1007 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 548 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. Mik - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 1153 Views
Just to understand you correctly... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 998 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? Mik - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 1077 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 1020 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Lord Haart - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 950 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... Etzel - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 876 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 1116 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Gher - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 1005 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 874 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... Gher - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 888 Views
One should also remember... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 921 Views
Eh? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 940 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 1005 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 1033 Views
I think... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 841 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Mik - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 1067 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 962 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? Lohikaarme - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 865 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* Mik - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 1107 Views
Not the same individual DomA - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 977 Views
Re: Not the same individual Lord Haart - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 908 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. Mik - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 1164 Views
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