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No problem Etzel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM
Common sense actually suggests there is more to it then your "As far as we know, Shai'tan took out SHv0,5 all by himself at about the same time that Ishamael died, for no apparent reason".


IIRC, we only see this SH 0.5. once before LoC in the beginning of TDR. Apparently it was made shortly before TDR, after the first seals broke, but a bit later disposed of in order to create another better version some time in TFoH. SH appears then in the beginning of LoC, while Moridin, whom we see the first time in ACoS, was probably transmigrated some time later.

Are you seriously suggesting that Moridin 'sneaked' without making any sound in a forest on a bed of brown/ dead leaves? (again - read that chapter). The Watcher could easily hear Sammael and Grandael, but Sammael and Grandael -heightened hearing and all- didn't hear a thing! Now that's weak assumption of you ask me.


Yeah, Moridin sneaked, as we see when he is suddenly standing "very still", when Sammael seems to have heard him. Maybe he also did something with the TP to hide noise, or fancloth doesn't only make you invisible, but also absorbs noise a bit. That the watcher is wearing a "skulker's mask" should be indication enough for any reasonable reader that sneaking/skulking is naturally involved, if someone spies on others.

The Watcher just thinks of 'his eyes'. We never see them. But as we can see from Shaidar Harans PoV in chapter 40, it still thinks that "in its eyes, the gateways left a residue" (or something much like that). Slowly, the mind is adapting to the body...as Shaidar Haran told the ´gars it would.


What you say makes hardly sense. If Moridin & SH are a combo like Slayer, each with their own thoughts, abilities and appearance, then there is no adapting needed. Moridin would always just have his own body, but could switch to SH and they would share their thoughts.

It also makes no sense that in one scene in ACoS, SH needs fancloth as the watcher, while a few chapters later he doesn't need it anymore to spy. This indicates that we have two separate characters.

And even if you think of your vision as your "eyes", it doesn't explain how the watcher can raise his eyebrows, if a Fade's upper face is blank. The watcher also thinks e.g. of himself as a "he", while SH thinks of himself as "it". All those thoughts of the watcher make it absolutely clear that Moridin/the watcher is a human and SH is a Myrddraal.

4: How could the Watcher tell Sammy held the Source in the first place, given the Watcher was following the deadly duo by Grandaels easy-to-follow shiny red dress (indicating a fairly big distance).


Again, you are obviously wrong about the distance. The watcher also never said something about smell, like SH would.

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Moridin & Shadar Haran - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1545 Views
No... - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 934 Views
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Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 861 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 958 Views
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Yup, I think they are one and the same. - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1099 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 852 Views
Au contraire. - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 948 Views
But why... - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 808 Views
Re: But why... - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 839 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 851 Views
I think it would have to work this way: - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 794 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 893 Views
Um not quite - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 754 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 987 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1018 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 712 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 818 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 811 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 764 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 834 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 683 Views
The problem is... - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 639 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 751 Views
I already answered all this... - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 766 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 871 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 706 Views
Agreed then. - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 855 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 793 Views
No problem - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 841 Views
Why does that scene matter? - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 728 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 401 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 919 Views
Just to understand you correctly... - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 759 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 835 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 800 Views
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The DO has control over Moridin... - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 647 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 860 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 727 Views
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True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 672 Views
One should also remember... - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 669 Views
Eh? - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 691 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 743 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 776 Views
I think... - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 593 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 835 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 710 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 642 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 869 Views
Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 717 Views
Re: Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 607 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 905 Views

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