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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.


I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books later. I think that is pretty impressive. Maybe RJ wanted to mislead us by that quote or maybe he wanted it to be a hint about the DOs true involvement. Semirhage believed that the DO betrayed her and the end result of the exchange seems to me to be in the DOs favor even if he didn't plan it that way. I agree also with what you are saying as well, though.

To me there is not enough evidence to figure out what the DOs involvement is. Hopefully, we will get a Moridin PoV or some other evidence to answer this question.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1651 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 857 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 269 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 272 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 766 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 754 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 692 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 556 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 577 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 600 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 553 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 628 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 586 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 590 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 556 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 583 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 661 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 684 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 605 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 598 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 610 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 580 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 648 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 658 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 609 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 645 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 570 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 573 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 652 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 567 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 638 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 582 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 533 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 553 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 253 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 504 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 555 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 594 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 548 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 231 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 528 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 558 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 575 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 589 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 566 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 581 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 652 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 604 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 530 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 568 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 578 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 579 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 574 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 550 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 544 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 548 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 532 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 547 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 562 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 526 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 573 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 521 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 494 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 853 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 252 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 236 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 537 Views
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