If I may make a few somewhat irrelevant interjections...
Digital_Eon Send a noteboard - 09/09/2009 04:44:45 AM
3. Tuon’s Truthspeaker may help her when she needs a penance for crappy behavior but she doesn’t demean her in the presence of the people who follow her and she doesn’t slap her or give her a penance in front of anyone.
I recall a mention (I don't think I recently read it, so someone must've mentioned it in a discussion, but I can't remember where, unfortunately) of a Truthspeaker doing just that, actually. Perhaps in Tuon's reflections? I think there was a story about a Truthspeaker slapping the Empress... Emperor?... in public a long time ago.
But even if that's wrong, Anath does this verbally to Tuon in public in WH chapter 18. So yes, Truthspeakers do this, too.
It makes me sick that most of the men in WoT are such spineless wimps that believe condescension, demeaning treatment, and verbal/physical abuse are signs of affection.
The sad thing is that this isn't just confined to the WoT world. I've heard of one (or one hundred) too many "romance" stories based around the same principles - only they feature women in the subordinate role, and these are written FOR women! It's sick to think that this is what people think is normal, much less get off on, especially in this day and age, but because of this, I can't say it *surprises* me, at least, to find it in WoT. And at least the WoT males have much more of a spine than these heroines do.
The Void is the ultimate painkiller – both physical and emotional - and gives focus like nothing else can. It’s something normal people can use to function when other people would be curled into a ball begging for mercy. Some people can’t achieve that Void if the pain is too intense but they can learn to do so. That’s what he needs right now, to not feel all the physical and emotional pain that is crippling him. In the Void, you can fight through pain and emotional trauma and everything else, but Rand isn’t really in the Void. He’s pretending to be in the Void, and actually manages it where his physical pain is concerned, but he’s mentally flogging himself over all the people who have died in the battle with him. That’s the pain that ruins his entire sense of right and wrong. He handicaps himself by refusing to harm the enemies when they’re female because he’s so afraid of losing his humanity (what he believes to be left of it). He’s making himself insane because his desires conflict so badly that there’s no way to achieve them all at once. What I believe is that if he truly embraces the Void and lets go of the self-inflicted guilt and the emotional pain he’s suffered, his vision (his vision of what must be done and how to achieve, as well as what actions are right and wrong morally, not his literal vision) will clear.
I know I'm not the only one who disagrees with this, but as I'm not as good as explaining thoughts or evidence as other posters, I'll attempt a short analogy instead. Physical pain can be a good thing for people. It tells you when something is going wrong, so that you won't do anything to make it worse. People who cannot feel pain (for whatever reason - genetics, or certain drugs, for example) can get themselves seriously injured or even kill themselves precisely because they don't feel pain. They can leave their hand on a hot stove and not feel it burning, or they'll break a limb and not get help for it. There are times when it needs to be suppressed for one to function, but at the same time, it also serves a vital purpose by existing - and it's dangerous to not have that pain.
I think the point others, including RJ, are trying to make is that Rand is not dealing with his pain properly. You've made an interesting point about him beating himself up over the women, and I think that's true - but he's also trying to escape from all of the pain by becoming harder and harder (and not just through the Void). If he can deal with the pain properly, he can move beyond it. That might be the whole point of "laughter and tears"; if Rand can finally cry - expressing that pain - maybe he'll finally be able to let the wounds heal. Sort of like the Bore keeping the DO's prison open?
Bah, I did a horrible job of explaining that. What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that it's not just about pain - it's about emotions in general. When Rand can let himself feel those emotions again, he can deal with the pain - let it go, as you said. But he won't accomplish that by separating himself from the world even more.
His desire to hurry up and get it over with isn’t about HIM, it’s about winning and, in his POV, the only way to win is if he can get to Tarmon Gai’don while he’s still drawing breath. And you know what? He’s right. If the boy dies before he can do what needs to be done, then his death will be pointless and the world will burn. As for his attitude that everyone can go screw themselves when he’s dead, well they can. He’ll have done his part and he won’t be around anymore.
As Lan said: death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain. Dying is easy. LTT wants to die. I completely understand where Rand (and your thoughts) are coming from here, but waiting to get it over with is the easy route.
(Think Rand would care about a safe world for his babies...?)
Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1
05/09/2009 05:23:47 PM
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For all of those whining about it not sounding like RJ:
05/09/2009 05:47:07 PM
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You're forgetting one thing.
06/09/2009 12:13:03 AM
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And if he were to off Egwene? What would your opinion be? *NM*
07/09/2009 05:38:36 AM
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He dislikes Sanderson's prose. Plot content is irrelevant here. *NM*
08/09/2009 06:44:42 PM
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Pretty good.
05/09/2009 07:35:41 PM
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Re: Pretty good.
05/09/2009 09:13:44 PM
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I found it well-written, but rather uninteresting story-wise *NM*
05/09/2009 08:04:15 PM
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because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
05/09/2009 08:29:18 PM
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I'm tired of passive story telling.
05/09/2009 08:57:13 PM
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I'm tired of mindless readers
06/09/2009 01:54:14 AM
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Re: I'm tired of mindless readers
06/09/2009 04:01:56 AM
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I was over critical.
06/09/2009 04:56:48 AM
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A real analyst or literary critic would laugh his ass off to see this...
06/09/2009 06:51:57 AM
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Re: because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
06/09/2009 01:22:09 AM
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A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
05/09/2009 09:34:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
05/09/2009 10:03:59 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 03:18:41 AM
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I think Lews Therin's comments to Rand were the most hugely significant part of the chapter.
06/09/2009 01:15:05 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 02:52:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 07:08:08 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
07/09/2009 05:09:38 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
08/09/2009 10:19:13 PM
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If I may make a few somewhat irrelevant interjections...
09/09/2009 04:44:45 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
10/09/2009 06:20:56 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
08/09/2009 11:46:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
07/09/2009 04:41:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
09/09/2009 03:48:53 PM
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Good post, but I have an alternative explanation for the saidin barrier
28/09/2009 12:53:41 AM
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Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 12:02:13 AM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 05:12:25 PM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 07:20:45 PM
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I found it...interesting --spoilers--
06/09/2009 01:33:11 AM
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I liked it
06/09/2009 07:58:09 AM
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Some questions...
06/09/2009 08:04:30 AM
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Theory: Rand and Egwene. What is up?
06/09/2009 07:59:58 AM
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A simpler answer
06/09/2009 03:04:04 PM
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Really?
06/09/2009 03:38:59 PM
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Look at what he has seen...
06/09/2009 11:45:44 PM
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And all this happeened in the few days between the end of KoD and the beginning of tGS?
07/09/2009 12:35:29 AM
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Why not? How often did he think of Egwene in A Plain Wooden Box? It might have been there already
07/09/2009 05:29:27 AM
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She treated him like a pawn when she "passed" him over to Elayne way back. NM *NM*
07/09/2009 02:49:18 PM
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are we already at the location of the book cover?
06/09/2009 11:49:06 AM
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Two Things
07/09/2009 12:25:31 AM
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My thoughts are that the main page is being crowded by too many duplicate threads
07/09/2009 10:23:41 PM
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I know why Rand is mad at Egwene...read inside to find out
11/09/2009 03:15:00 AM
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Ummm... the embassy's proposal was accepted, and (presumably) communicated to Egwene at the earliest *NM*
11/09/2009 04:16:31 AM
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Semirhage isn't scaring anyone
28/09/2009 02:32:34 PM
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Indeed...
28/09/2009 03:36:55 PM
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Will the Chosen pass that edict down or just not act themselves?
28/09/2009 10:29:53 PM
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