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Again. RJ fooled you. Mik Send a noteboard - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM
But why...Would then e.g. Moridin as SH spy on Sammael and Graendal in ACoS, ch.40, or SH free Semirhage, though he is quite limited in this persona. Makes no sense.
Because the other Chosen know Shaidar Haran as "the Hand of the Shadow", as the mouth of Shai'tan himself. While they view Moridin as a rival who holds the most powerful place they all covet.
Shai'tan is duping his own Chosen as much as RJ is duping you.

And besides. What makes you think Ishamael / Moridin has more (or less) power then Shaidar Haran? Ishamael has never held a direct dield command since the War of Shadows. He's always displayed as the grand manipulator of others. He whispers in ears and pulls strings behind the scene. He let's others do his dirty work.
What place do you think did Ishamael/ Moridin call 'home'?
I think that ever since he got connected to a fade, he's been around Shayol Ghul/ the Blight more often then not.

You think it makes no sense. I think it makes a lot of sense.



We also see in ACoS, ch.25, that SH tortures Moghedien and then sends her to Moridin. This makes pretty clear that both can't be the same creature. They couldn't switch places and clothes that quickly..
I'll reverse the question. Why wasn't Shaidar Haran there when it brought Moghedien to Moridin? Why did she have to close her eyes and had to wait for a command to open them?

Do you honestly think Isam or Luc have to get themselves dressed every time they 'switch' bodies/minds? Like Isam 'became' Luc near-instantly and minutes later Luc 'became' Isam again, I think Shaidar Haran can choose to 'become' Moridin when stepping inside the pattern (from Vacoule to Pattern, instead of from TAR to waking world)

Shai'tan nor the Nae'Blis want Moghedien (and the other Chosen) to find out that Moridin and Shaidar Haran are one and the same. It gives them more options. More ways to spread chaos and dissention. It also makes sure the other Chosen don't find out what Shai'tan truly has in store for them; total annihilation of everything.
What self-serving, petty Chosen would want to give him-/herself up to the very core, give up humanity to become Nae'Blis?



Ultimately, I don't see the sense in fusing Moridin and SH together. It makes more sense that the DO could simply project his shadowy from into SH and this explains his powers/limitations. Moridin is simply the Forsaken, who is most dedicated to the DO and whom the DO trusts most, and therefore SH and Moridin are closely working together.
Shai'tan. does. not. trust. Period.
Yes. Elan Morin was most dedicated to Shai'tans cause. That's why he gave himself away; it serves his purpose best. That gave Shai'tan a foothold this side of Creation.

I feel you think too much of Shai'tan. He is the dark counterpart of the Creator. That means his essence is the exact (dark) opposite of Creation; namely Nothingness. Shai'tan is Nothing. A hollow promise. A lie. The Lord of Chaos (Chaos means Nothingness in ancient Greek)
His power comes from people who believe in what he represents.
Not because Shai'tan has power from himself.

How else could he be 'felt' all of a sudden?
Shai'tans power this side of Creation is limited to how much power he is given. He. can't. do. a. goddamn. thing. unless you let him. Unless you 'let him tie that string to you'.



I would also think that Rand would notice a further direct link to SH, because of the balefire link to Moridin.
That might be a possibility. It just never happened. Or it did happen, but it was 'hidden by shadows'. When Rand snapped and became emotionless and reached for that (limited!) alien power source (True Power / Shai'tan), that shadowy face that appeared for a split-second might have been a fades face.

*shrugs*
Cheerio,
Mik
Mik ~ Ishamaels halfmad 'brother'

Death dances in my footsteps....
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Moridin & Shadar Haran - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1562 Views
No... - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 952 Views
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Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 875 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 968 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 814 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1112 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 868 Views
Au contraire. - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 964 Views
But why... - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 822 Views
Re: But why... - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 849 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 867 Views
I think it would have to work this way: - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 807 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 907 Views
Um not quite - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 768 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1000 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1031 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 727 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 830 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 831 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 776 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 846 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 698 Views
The problem is... - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 658 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 764 Views
I already answered all this... - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 777 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 888 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 718 Views
Agreed then. - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 868 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 801 Views
No problem - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 853 Views
Why does that scene matter? - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 742 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 410 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 933 Views
Just to understand you correctly... - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 771 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 848 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 812 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 706 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 659 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 876 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 746 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 645 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 688 Views
One should also remember... - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 682 Views
Eh? - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 709 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 754 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 793 Views
I think... - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 607 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 850 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 726 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 653 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 886 Views
Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 730 Views
Re: Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 621 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 918 Views

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