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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM
No Forsaken took any Oath on the Rod. In fact, any regular Darkfriend never took any Oath. Except Black Ajah of course.

Black Ajah had access to the Rod and they NEED to look ageless, so, thus, the Black Ajah Oaths.


Never claimed that they took oaths on the OR, in fact I agree 100% that they did not considering their attitude towards the AS of this age who voluntarily do. However Messy and all of the forsaken do take oaths to the dark. In fact the difference betwen the Forsaken and the rest of the DFs is that they perform their oaths at SG directly to the DO. We just don"t know how "binding" those oaths are.


But this is irrelevant to the conversation! We are talking about effects the Rod has on the channelers. Not some other type of oaths and some other means to swear them. We are specifically talking about the Oath the Aes Sedai are taking using the Rod.

Since Mesaana never took the Oath on the Rod, we don't know the effect it would have on her to unswear them. My theory is that it has Oath-negative effect and as soon as channeler take the Oath, its nullified by the Oath-negative effect.

The big problem with my theory so far is that in Age of Legends any criminal channeler could've unswore before was administered the punishment and thus escaping it alltogether.

But maybe Dominic is right (in some of his post he mentioned it) and you have to swear-unswear on the same Rod in order to have the effect. We actually don't know what happens to the Aes Sedai that want to unswear the Oaths on the different Rod. We saw that Galina was forced to take different Oaths on different Rod, but it's not the same.
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? CatherineSedai - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 3632 Views
That isn't tricking the oath rod, the way I'm understanding his answer. That's tricking humans *NM* Deadsy - 17/07/2010 10:29:52 AM 401 Views
I agree with Deadsy... Etzel - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 937 Views
could be nigelgoboom - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 815 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR darius_sedai - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 901 Views
I don't think DomA - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1135 Views
Re: I don't think Froggles - 17/07/2010 07:26:57 PM 860 Views
Re: I don't think DomA - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 853 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS darius_sedai - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 893 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* Gher - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 486 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. Skeeve the Great - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 873 Views
That's an interesting theory Gher - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 861 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 775 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 698 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 720 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 982 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 756 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 740 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? lodlom - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 719 Views
I think this is a tricky issue Sidious - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 872 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue DomA - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 893 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 796 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? DomA - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 781 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue darius_sedai - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 732 Views
Perhaps she pressed, and held the on/off switch, so that the Oaths never triggered? *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/07/2010 09:50:13 PM 381 Views
Everything you said but this... CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 778 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. The Angry Druid - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 826 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... mazza3 - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 659 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: The Angry Druid - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 940 Views
Because Lord Haart - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 675 Views
What about the True Power? L0gan - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 793 Views
TP + OR = Boom? Datakim - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 741 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 809 Views
A true power invisible glove is better than a one power invisible glove. *NM* Logain - 20/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 386 Views
I doubt Mesaana stands high enough to have TP access right now. She's probably the lowest FS. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 07:55:31 PM 378 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? LoialT - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 746 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 405 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 629 Views
Yeah I realize what I presented was kinda the opposite of what I was going for. CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 02:15:46 AM 745 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 804 Views
I actually like this idea. Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 714 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. Logain - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 887 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 686 Views
Wouldn't work Sidious - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 732 Views
I agree, but... LoialT - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 818 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 717 Views
I bet it wouldn't work LoialT - 20/07/2010 08:52:00 PM 1140 Views
this is also possible darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 748 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM 726 Views
I don't know darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 740 Views
Re: Wouldn't work RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1091 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 730 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 794 Views
Off-topic question: Gher - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 647 Views
I'm fairly certain that the ability can't be sensed until they are very close to touching darius_sedai - 21/07/2010 09:29:54 PM 711 Views
What about immortality? Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 663 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. Gher - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 602 Views
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