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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM
I think Brandon hinted that there is a way to defeat the Rod itself, not the whole Aes Sedai process around taking the Oath.

For some months now I have the following theory:
- to swear the Oath again, the Aes Sedai are un-swearing them;
- since Mesaana didn't swear any Oath, we actually don't know what happens when you are un-swearing them while never swearing in the first place;
- my theory is that such process creates a Oath-negative effect for the channeler, and when the channeler actually swears the Oath, its effect is cancelled by the Oath-negative effect;
- this may actually be tied to the physics of the Rod and so Brandon's words hold true.


However, Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones. She had oathes to the DO and as shown by the BA hunters the OR cancels those. I don't recall if the "unswearing" was ever fully depicted in the novels but I think it would be a simple "I forswear all oathes previously made"


No Forsaken took any Oath on the Rod. In fact, any regular Darkfriend never took any Oath. Except Black Ajah of course.

Black Ajah had access to the Rod and they NEED to look ageless, so, thus, the Black Ajah Oaths.
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I agree with Deadsy... - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1005 Views
could be - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 886 Views
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Another AS does the channeling according to NS - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 958 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 518 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 939 Views
That's an interesting theory - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 927 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 846 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 766 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 791 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 1060 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 823 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 810 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 785 Views
I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 942 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 972 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 867 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 847 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 800 Views
Everything you said but this... - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 854 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 894 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 739 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 1018 Views
Because - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 736 Views
What about the True Power? - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 874 Views
TP + OR = Boom? - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 812 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 885 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 821 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 431 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 702 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 876 Views
I actually like this idea. - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 779 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 955 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 751 Views
Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 806 Views
I agree, but... - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 905 Views
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this is also possible - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 824 Views
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Re: Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1171 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 799 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 883 Views
Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 720 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 734 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 670 Views

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