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I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM
Interview with Brandon

3. Question: She could swear that she’s not a Darkfriend on the Oath Rod, right?

3. Answer: As long as she believed it to be true. Every remaining Aes Sedai in the Tower has retaken the three oaths. You should be thinking about ways to defeat the Oath Rod. There is a way to do it.


To me this is Brandon nudging our shoulder that the answer lies in Mesaana being able to defeat the oaths, and NOT a mind trick about her not really being a lowly Darkfriend.

I have read through theories from "she inverted gloves of air around her hands so her skin wasn't touching the rod" to "She could technically say she is Chosen and therefore not a DF".

My personal theory is this (influenced strongly but not entirely by Luckers over at Dragonmount):

Mesaana was masquerading as a "random" AS that she had already interrogated and killed. We know she was in contact with Sheriam in the rebel camp, so presumably it could have been Mesaana herself who warned the BA sisters in the tower. Saerin and the other Sitters had to take a census of Sisters and initiates the day after the battle, when Egwene was cleansing her Aes Sedai. Mesaana could have used the confusion of nobody knowing who was still within the tower to change disguises. All she has to do is select a new AS, imprison her in her own rooms tied up with inverted flows of air so nobody will sense her or disturb her. Fail to show up to the census as her old disguise (presumed dead or captured). Then, when Egwene is raised in the Tower, knowing that the second round of cleansing is about to begin, compel your prisoner and send her to reswear the oaths with orders to return to you when it's over.

I personally think this is one of the most plausible theories (quilted together from other ideas) especially since it doesn't involve any tricks of channeling or knowing how to block the binder. It's a simple "switcheroo".


We know Mesaana is at least partially Masked to make herself seem weaker, I wonder if that could futz with the OR ...

other thoughts:

1. She has a second OR in her possession and can use it to unswear her Oaths

2. As Etzel said she put some physical barrier between her and the OR so the oaths didn't take

3. She knows some other weave that blocked the Oaths from settling in
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 3727 Views
I agree with Deadsy... - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1005 Views
could be - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 886 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 976 Views
I don't think - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1237 Views
Re: I don't think - 17/07/2010 07:26:57 PM 935 Views
Re: I don't think - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 916 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 958 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 518 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 939 Views
That's an interesting theory - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 927 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 846 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 766 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 791 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 1059 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 823 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 810 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 785 Views
I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 942 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 972 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 867 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 847 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 800 Views
Everything you said but this... - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 854 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 894 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 739 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 1018 Views
Because - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 736 Views
What about the True Power? - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 874 Views
TP + OR = Boom? - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 812 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 885 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 821 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 431 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 702 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 876 Views
I actually like this idea. - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 779 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 955 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 751 Views
Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 806 Views
I agree, but... - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 905 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 790 Views
I bet it wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:52:00 PM 1222 Views
this is also possible - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 824 Views
I don't think so - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM 796 Views
I don't know - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 811 Views
Re: Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1171 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 799 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 883 Views
Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 720 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 734 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 670 Views

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