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Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM
***Brandon*** Re: Mat's dying. In the books, Mat says that he's "Pretty Sure" that he'd already died. So use that as a guide.

***Brandon*** Re: Another Mat being hung confirmation. Like I said, Mat's pretty sure that counted for him dying. He really doesn't want to try anything like that again...


BS strongly indicates here that the Aelfinn's Prophecy about Mat dying and living again was actually fulfilled, when he was hanged, not when he was balefired (RJ RAFOed the question, if Mat died when he was hanged or when he was balefired, before).

Since Mat wasn't truly dead then, it strengthens the idea that also Rand doesn't literally has to die to live, but e.g. will just fake his death by being temporarily put into a death-like coma via a OP stasis weave. This would fulfill the Prophecy as well.


A quick look at the quote library suggests otherwise, and that it was death-by-Rahvin that resulted in the prophecy being fullfilled. Mat ofcourse does not know that Rahvin killed him so he assumes (incorrectly) that being hanged and then being revived by Rand fullfills the death prophecy. Regardless, it has been fullfilled.

RJ:

Balticon XXX April 1996 - Bill Garrett reporting

Mat's amulet blocks both saidin and saidar. Jordan answered this one straight-out when asked. He pointed out that the amulet only blocks actual weavings of the One Power, not the physical effects that could be caused by a weaving. For example, Elayne was able to use the One Power to hurl a rock at Mat. Rahvin was able to create a bolt of lightning which struck Mat. (Jordan noted that Mat's death by lightning and subsequent undoing of his death when Rand balefired Rahvin, fulfills a prophecy about living, dying, and then living again.)

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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2037 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1181 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1032 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 964 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 992 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 936 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 839 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 962 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 944 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 890 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 912 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 834 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 808 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 773 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 975 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 736 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 900 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 822 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 856 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 764 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 764 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 818 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 976 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 740 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 872 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1063 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 790 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 975 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 857 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1036 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 903 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 970 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 858 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 964 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 785 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 995 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 851 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 814 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 936 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 873 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 937 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 378 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 670 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 796 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 842 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 798 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 742 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 863 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 887 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 933 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1007 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 982 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 860 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 864 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 780 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 855 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 748 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 798 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 849 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 817 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 917 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 913 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 833 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 945 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 907 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 937 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 732 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 746 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 964 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 891 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 855 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1007 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 806 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 413 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 929 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 794 Views
Re: or "can't" because ... TaskmasterJack - 13/07/2010 01:00:45 AM 814 Views
I think he isn't allowed to... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:23:55 PM 933 Views
On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 792 Views
Perrin catch-up? Comet Sedai - 13/07/2010 02:55:22 AM 725 Views
We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 811 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 1040 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 748 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 864 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 896 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 811 Views
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