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Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM

What I wouldn't have given for a chief villain with Tywin Lannister's ruthlessnes and strategic pragmatism. Demandred would have been such a villain.

Instead, we got Mellisandre as the chief villain. A raving, frothing at the mouth fanatical lunatic.


Man, ol'George is a crazy ba$**** isn't he? I love his villains. RJ's villains still served their purpose though. I don't laugh at them...

Consider that the things Egwene, Elayne, Nynaeve, are doing - the AoL stuff.

Also consider: The Breaking happened 3500 years ago in WoT.

IRL, ALL of known human history is only 5000 years old, even though we have proof of human existence as far back as 100,000 years.

This is more amazing than any of us give it credit for. Imagine if Magic were a real force and someone suddenly started doing things nobody had seen since 1500 years before Jesus Christ.

We got used to having Protagonists with way-above-average power and way out-there abilities. The Wheel wove these extraordinary people into a fairly close-knit web with it's ta'veren champion to, I assume, aid him. This is no coincidence, but it seems so commonplace to us that we don't think much about it. (I think it's noteworthy to point out that RJ brought the most powerful people in the World together so subtly that we do take it for granted. Just like the Wheel would have wanted.)

Now, these many main characters we take for granted are able to rival individual Forsaken only because of their AoL powers and abilities with weaves. I think any one of the forsaken could decimate a linked circle of up to approx. 5 AS. ALL of our Wondergirls (as I've heard them called here) are hinted at being reborn and doing many strange things with the power by instinct. I haven't seen any evidence saying Nynaeve is anyone reborn, but I think the amount of raw power she has at her disposal hints at it nicely enough.

RJ had to still make the Forsaken HUMAN. His non-human evildoers are the Fades and Trollocs. Kinda like our demons. His completely supernatural force is the ultimate Evil, and all the magic people had to be...people. And if you're going to say they are just people, albeit powerful people from the most powerful and prosperous Age in recorded history, then they have to be fallible. And if you want people to believe all these protagonists are crazy-powerful and have abilities not seen since the AoL, then rival they must.
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 991 Views
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What about winning? Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 848 Views
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Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 644 Views
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Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 644 Views
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Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 638 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 584 Views
Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 664 Views
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Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 717 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 644 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 808 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 685 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 706 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 571 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 656 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 718 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 630 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 620 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 705 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 656 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 711 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 621 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 586 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 578 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 544 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 640 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 775 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 611 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1188 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 723 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 814 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 705 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 586 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 687 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 551 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 574 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 944 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 603 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 600 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 575 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 301 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 301 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 695 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 634 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 575 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 518 Views
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