Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM
No, I disagree. That is exactly why the Dark One needs the Forsaken - It can't comprehend human motivation, and needs agents to work for the Shadow. It can appreciate human motivations to a point, such as anger, lust, greed and etc., but it is in no position to understand those things.
An example would be humans and their pets. The owner might be made to realize the most rough reasons why their pet wants certain things through behavioral cues, but they do not understand why. Does the owner ever really know what goes through the dogs' head when it lies on it's back and lets itself be petted on it's stomach? Not really - the owner may however come to a pretty good idea by the pet's reaction.
The Creator and the Dark One are simply not human, so to assume they understand complex human characteristics is missing the point. Even the Forsaken have no clue what the Dark One really wants, and they have had more direct interactions with the DO than any of the Lightsiders have had with the Creator.
If the Dark One, for example, was intelligent enough and understood human nature to the extent that it could predict and analyze human behavior, why did It fail so miserably to tempt Lews Therin or Rand? The basic and most direct answer is that everything Rand and the Lightsiders value and believe in are alien emotions or desires compared to what the Dark One knows. When Lews Therin and the Lightside Aes Sedai struggled so bitterly against the Dark One, I imagine that It wondered why they fought to defend the helpless and gave their lives when their seemingly was no hope. If the Dark One, for example, was not such an abject liar, it could simply tell Rand that if he joined the Darkside, all of his loved ones and friends would be spared - but the fact that the Dark One is such a faithless being is the exact reason it can't convert people such as Rand to It's cause. There are certain human characteristics that are not in the Dark Ones' nature to comprehend. In many ways, the Dark One is less capable than any one person because I truly don't think it can understand things which we take for granted.
An example would be humans and their pets. The owner might be made to realize the most rough reasons why their pet wants certain things through behavioral cues, but they do not understand why. Does the owner ever really know what goes through the dogs' head when it lies on it's back and lets itself be petted on it's stomach? Not really - the owner may however come to a pretty good idea by the pet's reaction.
The Creator and the Dark One are simply not human, so to assume they understand complex human characteristics is missing the point. Even the Forsaken have no clue what the Dark One really wants, and they have had more direct interactions with the DO than any of the Lightsiders have had with the Creator.
If the Dark One, for example, was intelligent enough and understood human nature to the extent that it could predict and analyze human behavior, why did It fail so miserably to tempt Lews Therin or Rand? The basic and most direct answer is that everything Rand and the Lightsiders value and believe in are alien emotions or desires compared to what the Dark One knows. When Lews Therin and the Lightside Aes Sedai struggled so bitterly against the Dark One, I imagine that It wondered why they fought to defend the helpless and gave their lives when their seemingly was no hope. If the Dark One, for example, was not such an abject liar, it could simply tell Rand that if he joined the Darkside, all of his loved ones and friends would be spared - but the fact that the Dark One is such a faithless being is the exact reason it can't convert people such as Rand to It's cause. There are certain human characteristics that are not in the Dark Ones' nature to comprehend. In many ways, the Dark One is less capable than any one person because I truly don't think it can understand things which we take for granted.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred?
05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM
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Not a chance...
05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM
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What about winning?
06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM
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Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values..
06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM
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Assuming Verin is right
06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM
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Re: Assuming Verin is right
06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM
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Re: Assuming Verin is right
06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM
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Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure...
06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM
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Well I agree and disagree
06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM
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Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand...
06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM
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Says who?
06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM
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Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free.
06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM
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Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war...
05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM
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Demandred?
06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM
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Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war...
06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM
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Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war...
06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM
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Will be interesting to see...
06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM
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Re: Will be interesting to see...
06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM
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I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis
07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM
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I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light
07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM
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But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age?
07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM
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Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age?
07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM
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Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age?
07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM
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Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age?
08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM
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Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM*
08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM
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That would make Demandred my new favourite character
08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM
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