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That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM

Moridin and Demandred have always been quite close as the highest members of the Shadow, and while Moridin has always been present and incomprehensible, Demandred appears to be absent while working his plans behind the scenes.

Ishamael has been visible from the beginning of the story. In the War of Power he was the leader of the Shadow and was defeated by LTT. In the 3rd Age he tried to convert Rand and ended up seriously wounded twice, and finally killed. The other Forsaken who died who failed were reincarnated with strict penalties usually in the form of servitude, though Moridin seemed to evade this despite his incompetence being no less than his peers'.

Is it possible that he's been duped by the DO? The point of making a false Nae'blis would be to bring the other Forsaken into line for the Last Battle, which Moridin apparently has done. He's undoubtedly insane, and his orders sometimes countermand themselves, so perhaps that's all he's good for. As an individual Forsaken, he's got almost nothing to show for it.

Demandred, on the other hand, could be the true Nae'blis. He was promised the title in LoC, but then Graendal insisted that she was too. However, hints about his prowess and the fact that he would be Dragon if not for LTT are strong hints that his role in the Final Battle could be monumental. It is also rather telling that the DO used Demandred to spread the LoC message to the other Forsaken, even though the concept is old to the Shadow.

As an alternative hypothesis, I would propose that Moridin is a pseudo Nae'blis whose only function has been to organize the highest levels of the Shadow. When the Last Battle is initiated the DO may kill Moridin and his conveniently linked uber-useless slaves in the form of Moghedien and Cyndane, and hand over the Shadow and the True Power to Demandred. Alternatively he may place Moridin under Demandred, who will attack the Light with the organized remaining Forsaken, as well as Demandred's organized armies that he's been rounding up for a few years.

Thoughts?

I have resigned myself to the fact that, in my mind, the character of Demandred is going to be one gigantic letdown. I mean, really, I can't think of anything he could have been doing this whole time that will live up to the hype. Maybe I'm just not thinking big enough, but he's going to have to pull off something monstrously huge to live up to what we've been told Demandred is supposed to be capable of.
Maybe I'm just bitter that Graendal got killed off without a big scene.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1287 Views
Not a chance... - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 917 Views
I agree - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 688 Views
What about winning? - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 777 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 666 Views
Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 567 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 558 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 577 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 596 Views
Well I agree and disagree - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 569 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 520 Views
Says who? - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 587 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 562 Views
There are many possibilities - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 604 Views
Those are not all synonyms. - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 647 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 587 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 728 Views
Demandred? - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 619 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 619 Views
So... - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 513 Views
Agree with FT... - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 592 Views
I think metaphysics is more important - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 639 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 561 Views
Disagree - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 557 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 588 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 637 Views
Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 545 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 516 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 533 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 483 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 576 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 715 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 546 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1122 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 660 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 749 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 630 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 614 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 482 Views
It would be awesome - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 502 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 876 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 541 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 539 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 512 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 280 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 626 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 562 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 510 Views
Agree. - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 450 Views

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