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Demandred? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM
The man whose most notable accomplishment thus far has been not confronting any of his enemies?

It doesn't create tension if you find out at the end of the series that every seemingly insane action of the enemy was actually a brilliant plan to spread chaos and weaken the pattern, in hindsight.

You need to see the enemy apparently succeeding DURING the series to build up a sense of despair and hopelessness on the part of the protagonists and to thus create tension for the reader.


Again, Demandred is a villain who you consider to be seen succeeding during the series? Ishamael at least appeared and confronted the ta'veren. He set plans into motion to stop them or drive them according to his intentions. What can you hope from Demandred, except that after doing nothing for fourteen books he'll say something like "everything that has transpired here has done so according to my design"?

Once the author has to start convincing people in interviews and blog posts that the Shadow really is winning and that the hero really is "reeling in the last round of a boxing match with one desperate punch left to win the match" then you know the tension hasn't been developed properly.

This is thanks to Moridin, the madman. RJ deliberately went down this path, but the result is that we end up laughing at the villains, rather than fearing them.

What an opportunity lost.


I have no idea why you're blaming Moridin for this... it is the same thing RJ has done to every one of his villains, barring Shai'tan itself. RJ clearly intended to have his villains revealed as the pathetic creatures they are, and this is why they can't really be considered threatening. I have no idea where you get this idea that Demandred is going to be in any way different, nor how Moridin is somehow responsible for RJ's obvious intentions.
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Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 917 Views
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Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 619 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 513 Views
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I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 639 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 561 Views
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Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 588 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 637 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 545 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 516 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 533 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 483 Views
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 519 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 614 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 482 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 503 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 876 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 541 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 539 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 512 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 280 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 276 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 626 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 562 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 510 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 450 Views
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