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Difficult to say. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM
I think I disagree with both of you here. It's not fanatical at all, but I think on some level, the candidates know that it's all fake, and that it's giving in or giving up to stick around. I don't understand Sidious' or Sheriam's strong feelings on the matter though. I can see scorning them a bit, maybe, but such hatred and anger? I don't really get it.


What exactly does "on some level, the candidates know that it's all fake" mean? Intuition? Instinct? If I'm going to forsake my responsibilities, I very much better have a solid reason for doing so, and "my gut told me to" does not satisfy that requirement. My gut is quite competent at digestion, but I would not trust it to resolve a dilemma (to the extent that this could be considered a dilemma at all).


And I agree. If it's just a faint "something's off" feeling, then it's highly irresponsible to leave.


But I think it's more like a dream, probably a very-slightly-lucid dream. Would you wake up from a dream if you knew it was important?


I don't remember any of my dreams, I can't really say how it feels to be dreaming. This said, from our perspective within the books, both Nynaeve and Egwene seemed quite convinced that what they were experiencing was real. 'Course, Egwene's case was different, she maintained some of her memories because of the ter'angreal reaction.

Now, you say "would you wake up from a dream if you knew it was important", and the answer is probably yes, but in order to wake up from that dream you have to fail to do something important... what would you trust? Sensory input and memories, or 'a feeling'? This is why I believe the test to be stupid. Participants are not choosing between reality and a dream, they know there is a choice to be made, but they have no knowledge of what is at stake.
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yeah, I despise fanatics of any type Sidious - 30/06/2010 09:44:08 PM 1004 Views
Can't agree with all of those. Fanatic-Templar - 30/06/2010 10:58:25 PM 978 Views
Yeah, I disagree too... Gher - 01/07/2010 02:28:13 AM 957 Views
Re: Yeah, I disagree too... Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 03:20:30 AM 776 Views
I'm not sure. Gher - 01/07/2010 03:45:44 AM 880 Views
Difficult to say. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM 849 Views
Curse you, I had to go look up Nynaeve's Testing. Gher - 01/07/2010 06:20:06 PM 875 Views
Nope, still can't agree. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:40:25 PM 779 Views
I'm not going to argue that it's a good test Gher - 01/07/2010 08:51:31 PM 739 Views
Re: I'm not going to argue that it's a good test Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:26:24 PM 810 Views
IMO, they do. Gher - 02/07/2010 12:22:41 AM 779 Views
Okay different angle, Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:27:57 AM 665 Views
Re: Okay different angle, Gher - 03/07/2010 08:29:09 PM 777 Views
Re: Okay different angle, Fanatic-Templar - 03/07/2010 09:28:20 PM 668 Views
You really don't remember your dreams very often? Gher - 03/07/2010 11:41:57 PM 769 Views
Haven't since I was a wee little kid. Fanatic-Templar - 04/07/2010 12:54:11 AM 861 Views
Re: Haven't since I was a wee little kid. Gher - 05/07/2010 06:02:24 AM 689 Views
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Chipping in... fionwe1987 - 04/07/2010 01:11:26 AM 761 Views
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Re: Chipping in... fionwe1987 - 05/07/2010 09:16:51 AM 879 Views
You may be right. Fanatic-Templar - 05/07/2010 05:53:21 PM 774 Views
Fair enough Sidious - 01/07/2010 08:53:05 AM 981 Views
Owyn helped his village? Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 11:23:37 AM 805 Views
Yeah Sidious - 01/07/2010 12:31:03 PM 833 Views
Easier than you think Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 12:42:39 PM 731 Views
Yes, I suppose they could. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:16:38 PM 848 Views
Human beings have a pretty large capacity for "stupid" behavior RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/06/2010 09:47:27 PM 791 Views
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Re: I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life DomA - 01/07/2010 01:39:50 AM 895 Views
and those crazy comet people in San Diego in the late 90's too! darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:49:59 PM 795 Views
Perhaps. krassos - 30/06/2010 10:23:42 PM 794 Views
IMO that makes them even worse! darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 10:33:03 PM 738 Views
Considering that their system of belief... krassos - 30/06/2010 11:55:12 PM 715 Views
But they could have played a part Singing, just like the Tinkers to which they're related may do *NM* Lordling - 01/07/2010 09:08:46 AM 399 Views
Because their feeble ability to sing to crops would really come in handy. krassos - 01/07/2010 05:43:03 PM 876 Views
There are other SOngs than seed-singing. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:26:54 PM 789 Views
Even if there are. They've been lost. And humanity has lost that Talent. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:28:30 PM 651 Views
Only second-hand. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:49:58 PM 930 Views
the Tinkers will at least make themselves useful as we saw in the BoEF darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:49:08 PM 731 Views
The Tinkers are also on the mainland... krassos - 01/07/2010 05:36:40 PM 643 Views
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Take it from a lazy person's PoV: KOuellette - 01/07/2010 10:51:07 AM 817 Views
LOL *NM* darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:53:31 PM 341 Views
You know... Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:42:41 PM 750 Views
But something of you still contiunes on. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:30:12 PM 698 Views
Indeed Sidious - 01/07/2010 10:37:03 PM 684 Views
None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes? Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:54:30 PM 719 Views
Re: None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes? Sidious - 02/07/2010 12:01:35 AM 656 Views
Well, yes, but that's only temporary . Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:27:07 AM 836 Views
From my perspective, that is meaningless. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:52:22 PM 649 Views
Given how often Prophecies are right in that world... Gher - 01/07/2010 02:33:21 AM 722 Views
They should work to ensure there's a place to be reborn in. Lohikaarme - 01/07/2010 08:10:46 PM 641 Views
Yeah, pretty crazy Etzel - 01/07/2010 01:17:33 PM 734 Views
Why? Nolan - 01/07/2010 03:20:36 PM 712 Views
Presumably, Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:45:02 PM 773 Views
Clear something up for me. Palatine - 01/07/2010 06:33:07 PM 722 Views
They aren't. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:35:38 PM 665 Views
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The Amayar suck, but people believe crazy things newyorkersedai - 01/07/2010 09:22:45 PM 894 Views
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