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Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM
Semi was given the Sad Bracelets by SH.

Shaidar Haran could have conceivably found them, but I still think there was a reason Jordon/Brandon wrote the scene with Bair/Sorilea in.

One thing we know from the same book is that Sorilea is weak in the power but extremely gifted at copying flows she has seen even just once. I therefore find myself suspecting her. I think we'd need to go back through the series and look more closely at Bair and Sorilea's actions before jumping to the DF conclusion though. But this issue has bugged me for quite a while.


In the book Ch 22:

A woman in green, with brown hair, pulled back into a tail, her head bowed.
"I live to serve, Great Mistress," the woman whispered. "I am instructed to tell you that there is Compulsion in my mind you are to remove."
Semirhage raised an eyebrow; she hadn't realized there were any of the Black among the Aes Sedai here. Removing compulsion could have a very... nasty effect on a person. Even if the Compulsion were weak or subtle, the brain could be harmed seriously by removing it. If the compulsion were strong... well, it was quite interesting to watch.
"Also," the woman said, handing something forward, wrapped in cloth. "I am to give you this." She removed the cloth, revealing a dull-colored metallic collar and two bracelets. The Domination Band.

Do we know who laid the compulsion on Elza? I kinda thought she had been compelled to go retrieve the bracelets, but I remember Verin went around Compelling people in one of the books and I can't remember if Elza was one of them. I don't think any of the Wise Ones with Rand are darkfriends. Plenty of the Aes Sedai are, but not WO's. I'm sure some Wise Ones are DFs, but I kinda figure those are with the Shaido lol.
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? Joel - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3745 Views
Maybe they found it with need? Cannoli - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 1066 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. Lord Haart - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1371 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past darius_sedai - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1177 Views
Another good point. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1143 Views
A good point. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 932 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. CatherineSedai - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1106 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1190 Views
Would that work, I wonder? Joel - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 985 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 779 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? Skeeve the Great - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 1021 Views
It's possible, but not likely, IMHO. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:46:08 AM 952 Views
Ĵust to point out the obvious... DomA - 27/06/2010 05:58:55 PM 1081 Views
You really think Elza used the TP? darius_sedai - 28/06/2010 05:35:20 AM 895 Views
I think the chance of that is zero Sidious - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM 1018 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero DomA - 28/06/2010 01:48:10 PM 1064 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero Sidious - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 995 Views
I agree scalius - 28/06/2010 10:10:04 PM 997 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero DomA - 28/06/2010 11:17:19 PM 981 Views
I agree as well Etzel - 29/06/2010 09:20:10 AM 897 Views
Sensing the TP Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 07:12:26 AM 801 Views
Re: Sensing the TP Sidious - 01/07/2010 08:56:42 AM 758 Views
Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: Joel - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 969 Views
It seems... Etzel - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 909 Views
Re: It seems... DomA - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 928 Views
Hmmm.... Etzel - 29/06/2010 07:08:30 PM 723 Views
Good points DomA - 29/06/2010 08:16:43 PM 1065 Views
That's a good observation scalius - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 922 Views
But there isn't anything magical in the sword preparing process, is there? Lordling - 29/06/2010 09:02:58 PM 752 Views
but the swords wear out over time so it could mean that the effect is only a temporary binding darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 09:07:01 PM 1017 Views
Yeah, that would make some sense! *NM* Etzel - 30/06/2010 09:59:07 AM 837 Views
Some thoughts Sidious - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 814 Views
Elza didn't use the true power Timthetrolloc - 28/06/2010 05:42:29 AM 892 Views
Re: Elza didn't use the true power DomA - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM 1055 Views
It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. Joel - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 870 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. DomA - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 977 Views
About use of the TP scalius - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 997 Views
UR WRONG Deadsy - 27/06/2010 11:09:35 PM 914 Views
AM NOT111 Joel - 29/06/2010 12:32:09 PM 734 Views
I tend to doubt that one of them is a DF Etzel - 29/06/2010 09:45:58 AM 793 Views
"Helping" can be a very subjective term. Joel - 29/06/2010 12:37:09 PM 895 Views
Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. DomA - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 704 Views
I think it is Sorilea RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/06/2010 06:40:49 PM 842 Views
Re: I think it is Sorilea DomA - 29/06/2010 07:57:38 PM 915 Views
I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 08:31:01 PM 825 Views
I agree that seems a bit too nasty for RJ Etzel - 30/06/2010 08:43:00 AM 847 Views
Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much DomA - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 965 Views
you are likley correct darius_sedai - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 796 Views
Yes, Ingtar - wrong guy lol (posting from work) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/06/2010 12:30:54 PM 926 Views
Perrin comes to mind. Anything to save Faile. He's been DF all alonng! who'd have guessed? *NM* Lohikaarme - 08/07/2010 01:08:24 PM 442 Views
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