A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings
Lordling Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM
Generally I don't have too high an opinion about the WoT wiki, but this seems to have been made by someone who knows what they're talking about. A bit short, but it's not as if there's much information to be had.
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And now, a snarl of thoughts:
Birgitte's OT phrase to Mat in the CoS seems to indicate that nosane means (we?) speak.
Aginor's original name was Ishar. Seems to me that feminine names can be made from masculines by adding -a. Ishara was the founder of Andor.
A bit odd how all the names of the great cities during the Compact of the Ten Nations seem all to have had a meaning in the OT. An example: Manetheren means "Mountain home" and one of its cities was Corartheren. Cor is probably night (Cor darei, Night Spears) and Theren sounds more like mountain than home. Night Mountain? Theren is pretty close to Therin, as in Lews Therin.
Three of the names of the Ogier Steddings end in -toine. Stedding itself might mean "dwelling" or something.
I hate seeing patterns when there probably aren't any. But..Tel Janin Aellinsar was Sammael's original name. Tel is also present in Tel'aran'rhiod, and -ael in is Sammael. One of the Ten Nations, Aelgar, also has Ael in it. As does Asmo's fake name Natael. Perhaps Moiraine became suspicious of Asmodean because his name is a pun, meaning "lost hope" or something. Perhaps Lanfear likes puns as much as Sammael.
So, ael is the word meaning hope? Mael might be a way of spelling M'ael, like in the words M'hael (again with the ael. Perhaps RJ just liked the sound) and M'taal.
Siswai'amam meaning a spear owned by the dragon, dragon could be aman. Somewhat like amon in Telamon. And tel is also a word.. So in two instances the "third name" which the awardee himself chose bears some semblance to the "honorific" they received. AELlinsar..sammAEL, telAMON..Aman.
Maravaile..Mar also being present in Mar Ruois (a city during the AoL) and Aile meaning Isle.
I can't think of an example but I think Dar is a word too. What could Ebou Dar mean?
How would one translate the name of the Palace in Chachin, Aesdaishar. The shine of all?
This is definitely more interesting than dissing/exalting Lanfear and about as useful. I'm starting to feel as sensible as the guy who very regularly makes post at the 13th depository. Ridiculous connections and all that.
..............
And now, a snarl of thoughts:
Birgitte's OT phrase to Mat in the CoS seems to indicate that nosane means (we?) speak.
Aginor's original name was Ishar. Seems to me that feminine names can be made from masculines by adding -a. Ishara was the founder of Andor.
A bit odd how all the names of the great cities during the Compact of the Ten Nations seem all to have had a meaning in the OT. An example: Manetheren means "Mountain home" and one of its cities was Corartheren. Cor is probably night (Cor darei, Night Spears) and Theren sounds more like mountain than home. Night Mountain? Theren is pretty close to Therin, as in Lews Therin.
Three of the names of the Ogier Steddings end in -toine. Stedding itself might mean "dwelling" or something.
I hate seeing patterns when there probably aren't any. But..Tel Janin Aellinsar was Sammael's original name. Tel is also present in Tel'aran'rhiod, and -ael in is Sammael. One of the Ten Nations, Aelgar, also has Ael in it. As does Asmo's fake name Natael. Perhaps Moiraine became suspicious of Asmodean because his name is a pun, meaning "lost hope" or something. Perhaps Lanfear likes puns as much as Sammael.
So, ael is the word meaning hope? Mael might be a way of spelling M'ael, like in the words M'hael (again with the ael. Perhaps RJ just liked the sound) and M'taal.
Siswai'amam meaning a spear owned by the dragon, dragon could be aman. Somewhat like amon in Telamon. And tel is also a word.. So in two instances the "third name" which the awardee himself chose bears some semblance to the "honorific" they received. AELlinsar..sammAEL, telAMON..Aman.
Maravaile..Mar also being present in Mar Ruois (a city during the AoL) and Aile meaning Isle.
I can't think of an example but I think Dar is a word too. What could Ebou Dar mean?
How would one translate the name of the Palace in Chachin, Aesdaishar. The shine of all?
This is definitely more interesting than dissing/exalting Lanfear and about as useful. I'm starting to feel as sensible as the guy who very regularly makes post at the 13th depository. Ridiculous connections and all that.

Forsaken translations
17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM
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Yeah...
17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM
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Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand...
17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM
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Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames?
17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM
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Nice ideas!
17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM
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The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM
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Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM
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Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle
17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use
17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM
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I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation
17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM
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it's the other way around...
17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM
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good point
17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM
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Re: good point
17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM
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Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name
17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM
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What about Cyndane
17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned
*NM*
17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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Well she earned Mierin
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17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her
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17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha
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17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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HA! But technically I think her mother earned that
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17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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Re: good point
17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM
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Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive
17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM
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I disagree
17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM
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Personally I think that order was off the cuff
17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM
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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff
17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM
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Disagree
17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM
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Re: Disagree
17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM
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I'm not being very clear
17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM
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The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown.
18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM
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The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive
17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM
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I don't see that bearing out in the text at all
17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM
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Like Etzel I don't agree
17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM
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I think she's a weak villain
17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM
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Re: I think she's a weak villain
17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM
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and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos
17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM
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Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations
18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM
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Regarding "Demandred" ...
17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM
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I always thought it was a coincidence
17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM
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Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM
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Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM
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Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM
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Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM
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And Dragon translations...
17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM
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Re: And Dragon translations...
17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM
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Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"?
18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM
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It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning
18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM
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Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand
18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM
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like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears"
18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM
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But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon
18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM
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If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too...
20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM
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"Dragon Wannabe"
*NM*
20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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Lizard? *NM*
20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM
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"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride
. *NM*
22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words...
17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM
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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings
18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM
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