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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM
Generally I don't have too high an opinion about the WoT wiki, but this seems to have been made by someone who knows what they're talking about. A bit short, but it's not as if there's much information to be had.

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And now, a snarl of thoughts:


Birgitte's OT phrase to Mat in the CoS seems to indicate that nosane means (we?) speak.

Aginor's original name was Ishar. Seems to me that feminine names can be made from masculines by adding -a. Ishara was the founder of Andor.

A bit odd how all the names of the great cities during the Compact of the Ten Nations seem all to have had a meaning in the OT. An example: Manetheren means "Mountain home" and one of its cities was Corartheren. Cor is probably night (Cor darei, Night Spears) and Theren sounds more like mountain than home. Night Mountain? Theren is pretty close to Therin, as in Lews Therin.

Three of the names of the Ogier Steddings end in -toine. Stedding itself might mean "dwelling" or something.

I hate seeing patterns when there probably aren't any. But..Tel Janin Aellinsar was Sammael's original name. Tel is also present in Tel'aran'rhiod, and -ael in is Sammael. One of the Ten Nations, Aelgar, also has Ael in it. As does Asmo's fake name Natael. Perhaps Moiraine became suspicious of Asmodean because his name is a pun, meaning "lost hope" or something. Perhaps Lanfear likes puns as much as Sammael.

So, ael is the word meaning hope? Mael might be a way of spelling M'ael, like in the words M'hael (again with the ael. Perhaps RJ just liked the sound) and M'taal.

Siswai'amam meaning a spear owned by the dragon, dragon could be aman. Somewhat like amon in Telamon. And tel is also a word.. So in two instances the "third name" which the awardee himself chose bears some semblance to the "honorific" they received. AELlinsar..sammAEL, telAMON..Aman.

Maravaile..Mar also being present in Mar Ruois (a city during the AoL) and Aile meaning Isle.

I can't think of an example but I think Dar is a word too. What could Ebou Dar mean?

How would one translate the name of the Palace in Chachin, Aesdaishar. The shine of all?


This is definitely more interesting than dissing/exalting Lanfear and about as useful. I'm starting to feel as sensible as the guy who very regularly makes post at the 13th depository. Ridiculous connections and all that. :D

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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2275 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1569 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1908 Views
You are right... - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1467 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1328 Views
On Be'lal - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1240 Views
Nice ideas! - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1373 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1202 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1136 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1216 Views
or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 692 Views
About Aginor - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1534 Views
Great! - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1328 Views
Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1245 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 705 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1290 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1146 Views
Very interesting! - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1231 Views
As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1136 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1432 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1191 Views
good point - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1191 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1253 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1234 Views
What about Cyndane - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1132 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 617 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 767 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 643 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 605 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 535 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 617 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 667 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1265 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1139 Views
I disagree - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1254 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1368 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1341 Views
Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1283 Views
Re: Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1216 Views
I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1224 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3597 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1235 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1085 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1231 Views
I think it's shown well - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1337 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1335 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1279 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1084 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1059 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1248 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1099 Views
- 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1233 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1225 Views
not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1239 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1115 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1091 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1184 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1178 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1195 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1310 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1151 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 591 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1304 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1211 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1255 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1241 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1194 Views
Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 688 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1424 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1141 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1243 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1369 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1306 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1177 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1385 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 651 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1421 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 489 Views
Lizard? *NM* - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 657 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 585 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 947 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7391 Views

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