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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM
Generally I don't have too high an opinion about the WoT wiki, but this seems to have been made by someone who knows what they're talking about. A bit short, but it's not as if there's much information to be had.

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And now, a snarl of thoughts:


Birgitte's OT phrase to Mat in the CoS seems to indicate that nosane means (we?) speak.

Aginor's original name was Ishar. Seems to me that feminine names can be made from masculines by adding -a. Ishara was the founder of Andor.

A bit odd how all the names of the great cities during the Compact of the Ten Nations seem all to have had a meaning in the OT. An example: Manetheren means "Mountain home" and one of its cities was Corartheren. Cor is probably night (Cor darei, Night Spears) and Theren sounds more like mountain than home. Night Mountain? Theren is pretty close to Therin, as in Lews Therin.

Three of the names of the Ogier Steddings end in -toine. Stedding itself might mean "dwelling" or something.

I hate seeing patterns when there probably aren't any. But..Tel Janin Aellinsar was Sammael's original name. Tel is also present in Tel'aran'rhiod, and -ael in is Sammael. One of the Ten Nations, Aelgar, also has Ael in it. As does Asmo's fake name Natael. Perhaps Moiraine became suspicious of Asmodean because his name is a pun, meaning "lost hope" or something. Perhaps Lanfear likes puns as much as Sammael.

So, ael is the word meaning hope? Mael might be a way of spelling M'ael, like in the words M'hael (again with the ael. Perhaps RJ just liked the sound) and M'taal.

Siswai'amam meaning a spear owned by the dragon, dragon could be aman. Somewhat like amon in Telamon. And tel is also a word.. So in two instances the "third name" which the awardee himself chose bears some semblance to the "honorific" they received. AELlinsar..sammAEL, telAMON..Aman.

Maravaile..Mar also being present in Mar Ruois (a city during the AoL) and Aile meaning Isle.

I can't think of an example but I think Dar is a word too. What could Ebou Dar mean?

How would one translate the name of the Palace in Chachin, Aesdaishar. The shine of all?


This is definitely more interesting than dissing/exalting Lanfear and about as useful. I'm starting to feel as sensible as the guy who very regularly makes post at the 13th depository. Ridiculous connections and all that. :D

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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2219 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1513 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1847 Views
You are right... - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1411 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1270 Views
On Be'lal - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1184 Views
Nice ideas! - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1318 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1146 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1083 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1161 Views
or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 664 Views
About Aginor - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1476 Views
Great! - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1288 Views
Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1193 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 680 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1244 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1082 Views
Very interesting! - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1156 Views
As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1082 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1378 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1140 Views
good point - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1136 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1202 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1178 Views
What about Cyndane - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1076 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 595 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 741 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 620 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 581 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 511 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 595 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 640 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1196 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1092 Views
I disagree - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1199 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1313 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1286 Views
Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1228 Views
Re: Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1168 Views
I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1168 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3540 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1186 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1032 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1160 Views
I think it's shown well - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1281 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1276 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1223 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1025 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 992 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1198 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1038 Views
- 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1173 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1167 Views
not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1180 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1061 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1031 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1115 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1138 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1141 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1236 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1080 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 564 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1247 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1151 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1199 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1190 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1131 Views
Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 662 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1353 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1082 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1184 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1311 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1249 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1119 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1328 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 622 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1358 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 465 Views
Lizard? *NM* - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 628 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 560 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 896 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7327 Views

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