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No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM
Those 3 are all above (far above) an average Aes Sedai in strength. It's hard to know the outcome.


Since each is about 2x a strong AS those 3 logically would be more like 8 or 9 Average AS (say Verin level). So yeah it seems more than likely they could smother Rand combined.


They couldn't smother Rand. That implies that no matter what he did Rand would lose. It is more proper to say that those three could at least beat Rand.

Only 3 women of Semirhage's strength could "smother" Rand. Elayne/Aviendha/Egwene are not equal to 3 Semirhage, but they are strong enough combined to beat him some of the time. The three wonder girls against Rand would be something like the Nynaeve vs. Talaan duels. Sometimes Rand would win sometimes the three girls.

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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2028 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1107 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1175 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1246 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1217 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1192 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1126 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1224 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1053 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1130 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 960 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1034 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1034 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 910 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 924 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1090 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1030 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1012 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1010 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 966 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1052 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 897 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1015 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 932 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 970 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 981 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 941 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 968 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 996 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 973 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 918 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1902 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1087 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1009 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 969 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 932 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1110 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1131 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 914 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 958 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 964 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 950 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1102 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1111 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 969 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1083 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1100 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1036 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 998 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1059 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 809 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 832 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 902 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 785 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1053 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1065 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1003 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 975 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 569 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 920 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 478 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 850 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1021 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 980 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1032 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 921 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1056 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 792 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 403 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 901 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 984 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1164 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 840 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1087 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 885 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 923 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1059 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1038 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1123 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 968 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 962 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 895 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 795 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1105 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 955 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 978 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 953 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 969 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1007 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1100 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 944 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1002 Views
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