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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM

Not an actual ranking ... this very ranking is why I only listed these 6 as the ones who were truly more impressive than her ... and IMO the books bear that out. Lanfear just comes across as a cliche villain to me. I can't say that we've seen her do much other than simple be strong in the OP, woo hoo, I don't think that makes her more than lucky to have been born that way.


She's done no more, and no less than any other Forsaken.

But I'm not really talking about OP here. She's the only one of this bunch who was not acclaimed in the AoL prior to the Collapse,


But the acclaim was achieve by serving humanity and society. That's utterly the wrong thing to look at when judging prowess as a Forsaken.

and IMO likely was only in the elite because of her strength and skill with the OP. The others were all skilled in many other areas, or had specific specialties that made them truly fear worthy. Semirhage as a torturer, Graendal as a manipulator, Sammael and Demandred as Generals, Ishamael as a pseudo-religious figure...


You need to read the BWB book on Lanfear again, and her territories.

I just don't see that she actually did much outside of obsess over LTT, assassinate a few people and bitch about what should have been hers.


That's like saying that Graendal only cares about enslaving people. It's as true and untrue and you make it out to be.

Since returning, the other "Top 6" have all carved out power bases, sown chaos and in general have all been far more interesting villains (IMO). Lanfear managed to accomplish nothing at all except to end up a slave, no better off than Moghedien.


Ishamael achieved even less than Lanfear. Sammael is dead. Demandred is anyone's guess. Graendal and Semirhage are also dead. I don't really see how you can claim this.

Honestly she seems the type to have laid claim to TAR simply because it was a rather ridiculous claim. She can't be there at all times to enforce "her rule" and she's not even the most accomplished master of the realm! If she was truly the "queen of TAR" as she liked to claim, why could she not even keep the others from using it whenever they wished? Honestly it's just like giving herself her own name, simply a way to make herself believe that she is more impressive than she really is.


I really don't see why you have a problem with her identity. Graendal is known for her compulsion, and Semirhage for her torturing. Lanfear for TAR.

All OP Strength and just about nothing else.


An unfair assessment if ever there was one. I'm pretty sure she's the most skilled channeler of the female Forsaken, which was strongly hinted at in her encounter with Alivia.
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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2215 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1504 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1835 Views
You are right... - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1402 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1258 Views
On Be'lal - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1179 Views
Nice ideas! - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1310 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1134 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1079 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1155 Views
or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 662 Views
About Aginor - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1461 Views
Great! - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1278 Views
Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1181 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 674 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1238 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1069 Views
Very interesting! - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1148 Views
As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1076 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1365 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1134 Views
good point - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1127 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1191 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1168 Views
What about Cyndane - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1062 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 590 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 738 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 617 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 577 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 506 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 590 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 637 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1181 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1090 Views
I disagree - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1194 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1304 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1277 Views
Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1219 Views
Re: Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1155 Views
I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1158 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3532 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1175 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1021 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1147 Views
I think it's shown well - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1271 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1266 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1214 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1018 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 984 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1188 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1031 Views
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Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1156 Views
not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1170 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1049 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1022 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1108 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1135 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1132 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1223 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1073 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 561 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1231 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1141 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1189 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1183 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1120 Views
Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 658 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1338 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1074 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1171 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1296 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1238 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1114 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1317 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 620 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1340 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 462 Views
Lizard? *NM* - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 624 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 558 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 888 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7313 Views

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