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Forsaken translations Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM
This may be rather obvious to some people, but I've always found it nifty.

Sammael - Destroyer of Hope
Ishamael - Betrayer of Hope

Thus we can conclude that 'mael' probably means hope in the Old Tongue. It's a nice small little attention to detail played by RJ. It also insinuates that all of the Forsaken have names that can be directly translated.

Therefore with Lanfear, we might be looking at Lan-Fear ... Daughter-Night, if the Old Tingue can be translated so crudely. Of course this means Lan is a Daughter, which is fun to ponder.

I've been searching through Old Tongue quotes in the series looking for hints to decipher potential translations for other Forsaken names. I've come up short so far, but would like to know if anyone else has found anything. The only thing I've found is that Moridin is also found on the Horn of Valere, which is a nice direct translation of Death i.e. The Grave is no bar to my Call.

Osan'gar and Aran'gar are named after left and right handed daggers, so Osan might mean left and Aran might mean right, if those translations were direct. 'gar' might mean blade, or weapon.
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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2200 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1492 Views
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or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 657 Views
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Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1167 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 672 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1226 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1056 Views
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As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1063 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1349 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1121 Views
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Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1174 Views
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Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 630 Views
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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1260 Views
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I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1146 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3515 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1157 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1011 Views
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Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1016 Views
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not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1162 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1038 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1012 Views
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Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1058 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 556 Views
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Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1177 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1170 Views
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Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 654 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1326 Views
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Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1279 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1224 Views
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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7297 Views

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