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Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM

He's probably referring to what it would take to smother him no matter what he tried. Rand's statement that it would take three women like Semirhage to cut him off is very close to Lanfear's suggestion that she link with Rahvin and Graendal to shield Rand and take him alive.


Yes, I think that is right. Look at the quote in the context of the story. Rand had just been shielded by a circle of 13 despite that he had ahold of Saidin. The ease with which they shielded him was fresh on his mind when he had the thought.

Rand was saying that the only way 3 women could be certain to cut him from the source, 100% of the time once he has taken ahold of saidin, would be if the 3 women are of Semirhage or Mesaana's strength.

As for the interesting twist, I find the above example a good comparison with the example of 2 regular Aes Sedai + Moghedien in a wig.

The Semirhage/Mesaana example above tells us exactly the point at which Rand would get overwhelmed no matter what he did.

The Moghedien + 2 AS example above tells us exactly the point at which Rand actually becomes threatened. Everything in between those two points and the winner depends on other factors: such as skill, knowledge, dexterity, location, luck, etc.

Apparently Moghedien + 2 AS is NOT a guarantee win for Rand, but anything less and Rand wins every time.


That is indeed what it means.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2038 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1119 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1191 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1261 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1227 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1202 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1140 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1241 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1073 Views
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Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 975 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1046 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1052 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 924 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 936 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1102 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1046 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1024 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1021 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 977 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1068 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 913 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 983 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 996 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 950 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 992 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 931 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1913 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1102 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1019 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 947 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1128 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1146 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 927 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 976 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 978 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 961 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1116 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1125 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 981 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1098 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1115 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1051 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1015 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1074 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 824 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 843 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 917 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 796 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1072 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1077 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1017 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 990 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 575 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 934 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 484 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 863 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1036 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 992 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1045 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1066 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 804 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 912 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 995 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1179 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 850 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1100 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 895 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 936 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1071 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1048 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1136 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 984 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 980 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 910 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 808 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1115 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 973 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 992 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 963 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 978 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1016 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1115 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 963 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1016 Views

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