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Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM

He's probably referring to what it would take to smother him no matter what he tried. Rand's statement that it would take three women like Semirhage to cut him off is very close to Lanfear's suggestion that she link with Rahvin and Graendal to shield Rand and take him alive.


Yes, I think that is right. Look at the quote in the context of the story. Rand had just been shielded by a circle of 13 despite that he had ahold of Saidin. The ease with which they shielded him was fresh on his mind when he had the thought.

Rand was saying that the only way 3 women could be certain to cut him from the source, 100% of the time once he has taken ahold of saidin, would be if the 3 women are of Semirhage or Mesaana's strength.

As for the interesting twist, I find the above example a good comparison with the example of 2 regular Aes Sedai + Moghedien in a wig.

The Semirhage/Mesaana example above tells us exactly the point at which Rand would get overwhelmed no matter what he did.

The Moghedien + 2 AS example above tells us exactly the point at which Rand actually becomes threatened. Everything in between those two points and the winner depends on other factors: such as skill, knowledge, dexterity, location, luck, etc.

Apparently Moghedien + 2 AS is NOT a guarantee win for Rand, but anything less and Rand wins every time.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2382 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1424 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1510 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1573 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1632 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1512 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1487 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1540 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1376 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1466 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1288 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1372 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1355 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1230 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1282 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1440 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1346 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1332 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1317 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1320 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1373 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1249 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1330 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1295 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1252 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1321 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1316 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1321 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1239 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2238 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1411 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1293 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1243 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1432 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1461 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1260 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1261 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1302 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1300 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1469 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1460 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1288 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1414 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1422 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1334 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1406 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1348 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1123 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1113 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1223 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1101 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1381 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1369 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1306 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1272 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 724 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1256 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 626 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1150 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1340 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1273 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1320 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1355 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1148 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1237 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1337 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1513 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1156 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1392 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1192 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1227 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1414 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1384 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1435 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1258 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1279 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1201 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1086 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1458 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1286 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1321 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1272 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1267 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1319 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1415 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1229 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1334 Views

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