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Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM

Thanks for the quote.

Only I don't understand your math here. Now you saying "2 x Semirhage", but before it was "3 x Semirhage". So which one?

I meant 2x. I firmly believe that two Semirhage's will hand Rand his ass, and even one will, with her strength and skill, give him a tough time.

Another point. Saying "I maybe in trouble" is not equal "No three women could block him from the Source ". It just not the same. When he says "I maybe in trouble" he easily could've meant that he would need to break sweat and stand up from the chair to handle them. Or he could've meant he need to do actual fighting before he could handle all three. Or he could've meant he is going to fight very hard for his life before he could handle them. But saying "block him from the Source" means only one thing - he's defeated. So no, I don't think you can compare those two quotes. The only definitive quote is "No three women could block him from the Source unless they were as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana". "Maybe in trouble" just don't cut it.

The problem with this is that in this case, the Female Forsaken would have been smothered within the first year of the war. Instead, of the top six Foresaken, three are women.

Rand's quote about 3 Semirhage's is to be taken in the context of the situation. He has not been shielded by 13 women (which he doesn't know at this point). Hence, he is not even able to flex the shield. He calls it a hard wall. He is totally helpless against it. To achieve this kind of effect with just three women, all of them would have to be as strong as Smeirhage.

But even Semirhage alone, and definitely Semrihage with an AS or two (or even Moggy with two AS) can shield him/finish him off in battle. Only, he will have some chance to fight back. Maybe the shield wouldn't be a brick wall.

Far from showing that Smeirhage is weak, the fact that it takes 13 Aes Sedai to do what three of her kind could shows that she is not only very strong, but also insanely skilled and precise in her weaving.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2038 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1119 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1191 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1261 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1227 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1201 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1140 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1241 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1073 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1146 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 975 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1045 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1052 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 923 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 936 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1102 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1046 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1023 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1020 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 977 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1068 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 913 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 983 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 996 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 950 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 992 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 931 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1913 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1102 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1019 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 947 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1128 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1145 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 927 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 976 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 978 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 961 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1116 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1125 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 980 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1098 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1115 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1051 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1015 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1074 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 824 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 843 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 917 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 796 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1072 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1077 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1017 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 990 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 575 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 934 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 484 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 863 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1036 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 992 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1045 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1066 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 803 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 912 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 995 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1179 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 850 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1100 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 895 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 936 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1071 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1048 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1135 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 984 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 980 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 910 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 808 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1114 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 973 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 992 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 963 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 978 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1016 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1114 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 962 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1016 Views

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