Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM
Let me get something straight. If Lanfear was incapable of shielding Rand at the time, he would have had no need to cut her weaves. Just like he didn't have to cut Verin and Alanna's shield, or how Graendal didn't have to cut Verin's shield at the Cleansing.
That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.
Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.
That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.
Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.
Rand's lack of knowledge of how to counter saidar was his major deficiency here.
But the fact remains, to shield someone already holding the Source is almost impossible unless you are significantly stronger than they are, or FAR more skilled than they are.
Is Lanfear Much stronger or much more skilled than Lews Therin? NO. Therefore, she cannot shield him at his full potential and skill level.
Nynaeve could as easily have shielded Talaan, but Talaan was too deft for her.
If equal strength women can shield one another based on skill then it is not necessary to be MUCH stronger than someone in order to shield them.
I think what you are getting at is what Sidious is talking about.
Egwene is 2x Sheriam, and in TGS slaps a shield over her, cutting her from the source without breaking a sweat, she is both overwhelmingly stronger and more skillful/deft than Sheriam. Thus she "smothered" her.
On the other hand Nynaeve failed to Shield Elayne despite a goodly strength difference, obviously because her shield was not woven deftly enough, but it also shows that Nynaeve is not enough stronger than Elayne to "smother". In this case Nynaeve needed to either be even stronger than Elayne than she was, or weave a far more deft shield to cut Elayne off from the source.
Later, Nynaeve is able to shield (and them become shielded) by an equally strong channeler. Meaning the shields in question had the necessary deftness to perform the task.
What this means is that Lanfear was able to weave a shield with sufficient deftness and strength to in fact cut Rand from the source, but he was skilled enough to defend himself and thus avoid being cut off (if only just). I agree that in all likelihood at full Strength Lanfear would be unable to shield Rand, but it would be close IMO as Rand was already at least as strong as an average strength male Forsaken. 2 Forsaken would easily smother Rand.
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No three women could block him from the Source...
15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM
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I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once...
15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM
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I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him
15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM
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Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once...
15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM
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Huh?
15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM
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Re: Huh?
15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM
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15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM
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Re:
15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM
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No, this is before.
15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM
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Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin
15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM
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I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding.
15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM
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Simple answer to settle it:
15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM
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So Talaan is God?
15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM
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It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage
15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM
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So?
15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM
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Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean...
15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM
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You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right?
15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM
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Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai
15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM
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Lanfear can do it alone
15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM
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She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet...
15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM
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Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her.
15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM
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She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air.
15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM
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Bah!
15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM
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I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are...
15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM
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Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her.
15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM
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It becomes a battle of skill then...
15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM
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Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone
15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM
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Oh come on...
15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM
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I know you are not that ignorant...
15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM
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But that isn't true...
15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM
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Let me spell it out for you...
15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM
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Re: Let me spell it out for you...
15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM
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+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman.
15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM
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Now that's a ridiculous comparison
15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM
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Touchy point, heh?
15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM
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Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him.
15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM
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Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate?
15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM
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If you wish...
15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM
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Re: If you wish...
15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM
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Whyever not?
15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM
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Re: Whyever not?
15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM
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Even in that situation
15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM
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Re: Even in that situation
15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM
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Okay...
15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM
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Re: Okay...
15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM
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So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say?
*NM*
15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM
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What?
15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM
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If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM*
15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM
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Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements.
15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM
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Okay, here's what I think you're saying...
15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM
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Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire...
15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM
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It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM*
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Re: No three women could block him from the Source...
16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM
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I disagree.
16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM
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I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could
17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM
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Agreed
17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM
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They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength
17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM
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They would be far more than 3 average AS
17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM
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Another related quote
18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM
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well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass
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