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Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM
I think my interpretation is opposite of what you imply. But maybe I'm wrong, and you know better what my interpretations look like... ;)


You're saying no one Forsaken like Semirhage, or even two, can shield Rand. Correct?

Yet, Rand says this:
"I think you just did. They aren't all coming. I said no more than three, so that is what they're sending."
In the mirror his head tilted as if he were listening, and he nodded, voice dropping to a murmur. "Yes, I can handle three, if they aren't too strong." Abruptly he noticed her looking. "Of course, if one of them is Moghedien in a wig, or Semirhage, I may be in trouble."

So, clearly Rand is in trouble if two not "too strong" women and either Moghedien or Semirhage attacks him.

Now you tell me how else I am to read this, except that Moggy+two weak women>2 x Semirhage?
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 1952 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1035 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1098 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1173 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1139 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1117 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1052 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1159 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 980 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1058 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 880 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 959 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 963 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 834 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 851 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1014 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 965 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 940 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 932 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 889 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 979 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 832 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 939 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 859 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 898 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 903 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 874 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 893 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 927 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 895 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 845 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1833 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1014 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 936 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 898 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 857 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1036 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1065 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 840 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 884 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 889 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 872 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1030 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1031 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 924 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1012 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1026 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 964 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 932 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 990 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 737 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 752 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 826 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 710 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 975 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 983 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 919 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 914 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 540 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 841 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 445 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 775 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 940 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 899 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 961 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 837 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 990 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 714 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 370 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 829 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 909 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1090 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 765 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1003 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 810 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 876 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 987 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 962 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1039 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 893 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 895 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 823 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 728 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1020 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 888 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 910 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 867 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 881 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 932 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1019 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 876 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 921 Views
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