I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can.
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM
The closer you are in strength, the more uncertain it becomes that you will be able to shield someone. If you are exactly equal, the chances of success are very slim. In fact, in Nynaeve's case, it was proven that although she was equal to Talaan, she was unable to shield her, and was in fact shielded herself because Talaan was more skilled.
So it became a battle of skill, which Nynaeve lost.
But the point remains that neither Tallaan nor Nynaeve is too weak to shield the other. There is a slimmer chance that there would have been if one of them had been much stronger, but not no chance.
As for Verin and Graendal's cases. See above. Verin and Alanna's shield was hopelessly weaker than Rand's connection to the source. So much weaker that he did not even have to bother to resist it.
Exactly. Lanfears shield was not so weak. It was strong enough that Rand had to actively resist it, or face being unable to use the Power.
Same with Graendal and Verin's case. Graendal was channeling through an angreal and the thickness of her connection was either exceeded Verin's shield strength by too great a margin, or Verin's shield was of insufficient precision to slice through it.
See above.
We know Lanfear is very dexterous, and can therefore no doubt create shield with a much sharper "edge", meaning in effect that she can punch above her weight in strength.
NO! Like all women, her dexterity increases her effective strength, which is why she is a match for Lews Therin, and why she can contemplate shielding Rand.
But as I said before, if it was Lews Therin in front of her, instead of the untrained, ignorant Rand, she would have had no chance.
How so? Ignorance, or lack thereof, won't make an ounce of difference to your strength in the power. Sure, Lews Therin could have pressed her, so she wouldn't have bothered with shields and would have only used deadly weaves. But that doesn't change the fact that barring a defense, Lanfear is strong enough to shield Rand/LTT.
Ishamael could not even cut Lews Therin off from the source. How on earth could Lanfear hope to do it then?
When did Ishy try to shield LTT?
No three women could block him from the Source...
15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM
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I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once...
15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM
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I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him
15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM
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Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once...
15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM
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Huh?
15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM
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Re: Huh?
15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM
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15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM
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Re:
15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM
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No, this is before.
15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM
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Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin
15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM
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I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding.
15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM
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Simple answer to settle it:
15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM
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So Talaan is God?
15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM
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It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage
15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM
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So?
15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM
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Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean...
15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM
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You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right?
15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM
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Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai
15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM
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Lanfear can do it alone
15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM
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She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet...
15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM
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Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her.
15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM
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She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air.
15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM
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Bah!
15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM
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I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are...
15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM
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Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her.
15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM
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It becomes a battle of skill then...
15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM
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Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone
15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM
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Oh come on...
15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM
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I know you are not that ignorant...
15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM
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But that isn't true...
15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM
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Let me spell it out for you...
15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM
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Re: Let me spell it out for you...
15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM
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+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman.
15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM
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Now that's a ridiculous comparison
15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM
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Touchy point, heh?
15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM
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Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him.
15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM
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Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate?
15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM
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If you wish...
15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM
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Re: If you wish...
15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM
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Whyever not?
15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM
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Re: Whyever not?
15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM
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Even in that situation
15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM
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Re: Even in that situation
15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM
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Okay...
15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM
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Re: Okay...
15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM
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So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM*
15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM
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What?
15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM
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If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM*
15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM
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Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements.
15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM
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Okay, here's what I think you're saying...
15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM
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Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire...
15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM
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I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can.
15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM
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It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM*
16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM
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Re: No three women could block him from the Source...
16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM
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I disagree.
16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM
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I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could
17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM
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Agreed
17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM
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They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength
17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM
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They would be far more than 3 average AS
17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM
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Another related quote
18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM
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well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass
18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM
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