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Let me spell it out for you... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM

Yes, because he did not know how to resist them. If you don't resist, then of course she can cut your connection. Just holding onto the Source means you leave yourself defenseless.

That isn't true at all. Verin and co. threw a shield at Graendal. Graendal did nothing, yet the shield bounced off. Verin and Alanna threw a shield at Rand in LoC. He did nothing, and the shield bounced off.

Of course six Aes Sedai can hold him. But it takes a LOT more to cut you off if you are already holding the Source. Come on, that's One Power 101. Even you know that.

Yes, but who said the six sisters against the False Dragons were trying to shield him? It was a battle, by all accounts, and not a shielding match.

Again, to shield someone who is already holding the Source, you must be MUCH stronger than they are. Something like 50% stronger, if the books are any indication. Was Rand sure that he is 50% stronger than 7 Aes Sedai, whose individual strengths he doesn't know, and who might or might not have angreal with them?

Was Talaan even .1% stronger than Nynaeve?

How was he to know.

Because he has an idea of how strong AS are from seeing how strong the strongest among them is?
If one of them was Moghedien, she would be dangerous enough. Maybe not to shield him, but very dangerous to confront.

She would be able to shield him. Unless he cut her shield.


The closer you are in strength, the more uncertain it becomes that you will be able to shield someone. If you are exactly equal, the chances of success are very slim. In fact, in Nynaeve's case, it was proven that although she was equal to Talaan, she was unable to shield her, and was in fact shielded herself because Talaan was more skilled.

So it became a battle of skill, which Nynaeve lost.

As for Verin and Graendal's cases. See above. Verin and Alanna's shield was hopelessly weaker than Rand's connection to the source. So much weaker that he did not even have to bother to resist it.

Same with Graendal and Verin's case. Graendal was channeling through an angreal and the thickness of her connection was either exceeded Verin's shield strength by too great a margin, or Verin's shield was of insufficient precision to slice through it.

We know Lanfear is very dexterous, and can therefore no doubt create shield with a much sharper "edge", meaning in effect that she can punch above her weight in strength.

But as I said before, if it was Lews Therin in front of her, instead of the untrained, ignorant Rand, she would have had no chance.

Ishamael could not even cut Lews Therin off from the source. How on earth could Lanfear hope to do it then?
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2047 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1126 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1197 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1268 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1234 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1208 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1146 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1247 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1078 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1154 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 984 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1052 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1060 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 930 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 943 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1114 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1052 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1035 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1027 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 990 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1074 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 920 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 990 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1004 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 960 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 998 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 936 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1922 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1109 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1027 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 955 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1135 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1152 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 932 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 983 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 984 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 970 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1123 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1130 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 987 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1106 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1121 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1056 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1034 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1079 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 830 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 850 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 923 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 803 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1088 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1083 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1022 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 995 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 578 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 940 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 486 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 867 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1041 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 998 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1053 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1073 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 808 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 917 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1000 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1191 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 856 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1108 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 901 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 942 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1078 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1057 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1143 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 989 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 984 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 915 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 814 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1120 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 983 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 997 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 971 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 986 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1023 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1120 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 969 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1023 Views

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