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It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM
Let me get something straight. If Lanfear was incapable of shielding Rand at the time, he would have had no need to cut her weaves. Just like he didn't have to cut Verin and Alanna's shield, or how Graendal didn't have to cut Verin's shield at the Cleansing.

That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.

Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.


Rand's lack of knowledge of how to counter saidar was his major deficiency here.

But the fact remains, to shield someone already holding the Source is almost impossible unless you are significantly stronger than they are, or FAR more skilled than they are.

Is Lanfear Much stronger or much more skilled than Lews Therin? NO. Therefore, she cannot shield him at his full potential and skill level.


Nynaeve could as easily have shielded Talaan, but Talaan was too deft for her.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2370 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1420 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1506 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1568 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1618 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1504 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1479 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1534 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1372 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1461 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1281 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1367 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1349 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1224 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1276 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1436 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1340 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1328 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1311 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1310 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1361 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1245 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1359 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1244 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1319 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1291 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1243 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1314 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1309 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1318 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1231 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2233 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1406 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1284 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1284 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1239 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1429 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1458 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1251 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1257 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1295 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1295 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1466 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1454 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1282 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1410 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1418 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1328 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1400 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1344 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1117 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1110 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1215 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1095 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1376 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1362 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1303 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1266 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 722 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1248 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 624 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1147 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1334 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1270 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1316 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1244 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1351 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1141 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 575 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1230 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1330 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1508 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1147 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1388 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1185 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1224 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1404 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1380 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1431 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1254 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1275 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1197 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1079 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1451 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1277 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1313 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1267 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1262 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1312 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1407 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1222 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1328 Views
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