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Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM

20. Question--Is strength in the power evenly distributed? Would on a scale of one to one hundred the most channelers be on the 50 mark? (within a gender, of course).

Maria Answers--Jim described it as a bell curve, with most channelers in the middle.


Given some people are totally misrepresenting this answer...

Maria said "it" is a bell curve. What is this "it"?

Some would have us believe it is the distribution over the 21 levels.

Yet, whatever "it" is the pronoun for, it must be in the question. I can see nothing about the 21 levels.

What "it" can be:

1) Distribution of strength in the power (which the questioner asked about).

2) If one were to think weird grammar was the order of the day, it could be the scale from 1 to 100.

Either way, it is very clear that the bell curve explains the distribution of strength, not over strength levels.

Which is what RJ said. He always spoke of a bell curve distribution of strength, not of strength levels.

I rest my case.
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2266 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1026 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 913 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1201 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1064 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1029 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1122 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1049 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1049 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 884 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1131 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 879 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1048 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1059 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1051 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 989 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 845 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1037 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 912 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 984 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 821 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1019 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 859 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 960 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1052 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1053 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1038 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1028 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 963 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 991 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1052 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1154 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 952 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 873 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 957 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 950 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 830 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1062 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1076 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 940 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1032 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1016 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 888 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 995 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 876 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1036 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1065 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 936 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 919 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 822 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 933 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 848 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1018 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 863 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 961 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 974 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 885 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 773 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 872 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 600 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 990 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 947 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 885 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 897 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1113 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 769 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 892 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 867 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 885 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 847 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1037 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 947 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1078 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 836 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1037 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1041 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 899 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 816 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 991 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 787 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1004 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 868 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1075 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 974 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 867 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 823 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 946 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 812 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 811 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 815 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 843 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 798 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 827 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 943 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1404 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1065 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1015 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 492 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1079 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 936 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 925 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 795 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 860 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 878 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 842 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 859 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 992 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 940 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1015 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 938 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 986 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 842 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 942 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1004 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 826 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 809 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 580 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 531 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1035 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 876 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 861 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 981 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 780 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 810 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 948 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 847 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 812 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 920 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1029 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 999 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 956 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1069 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 927 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 961 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 814 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 768 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 802 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 807 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 919 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 973 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 812 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 963 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1289 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 938 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 884 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 843 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1028 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 877 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 577 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 811 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1006 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1089 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 805 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 836 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1118 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 846 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1017 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 873 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 971 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 838 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 832 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 936 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 885 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1158 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 989 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 925 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 891 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1003 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1217 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 807 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 959 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 927 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 919 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 934 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 913 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 978 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1022 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 953 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1068 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 846 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 880 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 508 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 603 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 890 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 900 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 983 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 872 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 972 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 832 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 832 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 474 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1420 Views
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