The logistics would be practically impossible, as even RJ stated (see quote below)
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/06/2010 01:41:03 PM
Train them and have them specialize in gateways and traveling.
Still going to take months if not longer, they are Aiel, to break these women to the collar.
2. Channeling for hours at a time exhausts people to the point of being useless so the Seanchan would need to have dedicated gateway holders who would take no part in the battles and the army would subsequently be trapped in the new location. In effect creating potential suicide missions.
3. It's sort of like crossing a river on a battle field too... open a Gateway too close and the enemy can feel it ... a crafty general lets about half your force come through then slaughters them.
This would be a problem for both large and small gateways.
Not really, with the huge gateways linked circles can create they tire less quickly and can move troops exponentially faster. What would take an hour for the Seanchan would take minutes for the Circle. You'd have thousands of men placed with only 13 women holding the Gateway, whereas the Seanchan would need 100 women to place these same men.
PoD
Beginnings
The light of saidar sprang up around the thirteen sisters near the Sitters, around all of them together, and a thick slash of silver appeared in the middle of the clearing, rotating into a gateway ten paces tall and a hundred wide.
a 30' tall x 600' wide door way created by 13 women dramatically larger than what 100 Damane could open up as individuals (cumulatively maybe 400' across). Even if every one of the Damane was strong as hell in the Power the largest gateway even Rand can manage is only 4 paces wide, and the odds of any Damane being able to match that are nil. The AS are likely able to move at least 2x as many men per second from just one circle! Now assume they have 5 circles or 10. It adds up quickly and these women won't be exhausted by the end of the trip either. 100 AS linked v. 100 Damane is no contest.
Nope. They would have to have one specialized unit of damane that would travel to wherever they were needed to do a mass transit. The damane within each Seanchan army would still know the gateway weaves and could act as auxilary.
That's not fixing the problem of having to completely change how all the regular troops move or the fact that they can't bring along the special animal troops, raken, to'raken, s'redit and torlm are all too big to go through a gateway. You're talking about retraining the entire Seanchan army now! These are troops that have spent year training in how troop movements and proper military order. This will all have to change for the Seanchan to use small gateways to move large numbers of troops.
And you keep thinking these women will have all this time to rest between, not going to be the case when you are facing a group that is also using Traveling! Sure for one big jump this would work, but we've seen what happens when you try to use Traveling continuously without links. The Channelers will hit the point of exhaustion rather quickly and then you are stuck. It just isn't the same with circles since they can accomplish so much more with so many fewer people.
Trying to move an army through one big gateway instead of many small gateways creates several problems;
1) staging area - a huge area will be need for both the entrance and exit points
2) confusion - with so many trying to cram into one large gateway you are going to have to be careful everyone doesn't get in everyone else's way which could really slow things down, as opposed to many small gateways with plenty of space between them
3) using that much OP to open a large gateway will give away your location easily, using many gateways spread out over an area will give a good chance of surprise.
1. Less of a problem from one bigger group than hundreds of smaller ones. Like any army I image they would send an advance team out to prep the area though so it's not really going to be dramatically different than normal army staging. Soldiers are much more used to this than appearing from 100 different areas and converging on a camp site.
2. You think this would be any different for the smaller ones? You've got to be kidding me! Smaller gateways would need far more coordination to not bottle neck from one soldier tripping and falling down!
3. using a Gateway of any size is going to alert your enemy unless you are smart enough to plan ahead and Travel to a place outside of their detection zone. Like Egwene did when she moved the rebels to TV. Smaller gateways are only going to give you an element of surprise if you suddenly start gating troops directly into a city. Bryne had plans to do just this to TV.
In the end it gets down to the AS have the huge advantage because they can link. Using far less energy to achieve the task.
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06/06/2010 07:30:37 PM
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Interesting
06/06/2010 07:41:56 PM
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BS said Demandred's identity is the greatest secret in the story, and will pay off in the end...
06/06/2010 08:05:51 PM
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militarily perhaps, but not a duel
07/06/2010 04:56:55 AM
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Re: militarily perhaps, but not a duel
07/06/2010 01:34:04 PM
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Re: militarily perhaps, but not a duel
07/06/2010 04:17:26 PM
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Oh I like the villains to lose everything before they die
07/06/2010 04:18:43 PM
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Bah
07/06/2010 04:38:36 PM
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Skilled Rand would be nice.
07/06/2010 09:24:56 PM
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I'd rather see Aviendha and Elayne link and take her out
07/06/2010 09:41:47 PM
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Re: I'd rather see Aviendha and Elayne link and take her out
07/06/2010 10:00:44 PM
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You are quite right, I should have said "kill all the remaining FS"
07/06/2010 10:08:49 PM
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Re: You are quite right, I should have said "kill all the remaining FS"
07/06/2010 10:22:11 PM
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Moridin IMO will be all Rand's to deal with
07/06/2010 10:56:28 PM
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I think Demandred might be...
07/06/2010 09:48:29 AM
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I favor the Roederan theory
07/06/2010 01:35:37 PM
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I have this feeling that Elaida is going to surprise us, and Demandred is in Caemlyn...
06/06/2010 08:33:16 PM
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Meh. I think Elaida will end up like other women in the series who sucked
06/06/2010 10:56:47 PM
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While Traveling is certainly a tactical advantage, I think the Seanchan won't be able to use it.
06/06/2010 11:15:56 PM
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A hundred gateways next to each other is as good as one giant gateway...
06/06/2010 11:36:48 PM
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but no carts or wagons.
07/06/2010 12:15:29 AM
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Fully supplied armies could be moved
07/06/2010 02:45:15 AM
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you are missing the point that this would create several major problems
07/06/2010 01:49:08 PM
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Advantages and Disadvantages to both large and small gateways
08/06/2010 03:04:28 AM
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The logistics would be practically impossible, as even RJ stated (see quote below)
08/06/2010 01:41:03 PM
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But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not...
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07/06/2010 07:48:01 PM
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We have no clue if Damane can tie off weaves
07/06/2010 08:28:08 PM
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07/06/2010 09:22:24 PM
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One disagreement
07/06/2010 09:33:09 PM
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I agree...but
07/06/2010 09:44:54 PM
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That's just it ... Egwene, Elayne and Rand have already thought of it and considered the uses
07/06/2010 10:04:50 PM
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Egwene to pass information? You're joking, right?
07/06/2010 10:59:25 PM
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Not to mention...
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Re: Not to mention...
07/06/2010 09:38:31 PM
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yes, but the cost may prove too high to allocate so many resources against Traveling
07/06/2010 09:44:16 PM
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If they get Traveling, I hope we read the first time the Seanchan move their "creatures" through
07/06/2010 06:22:47 PM
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Re: If they get Traveling, I hope we read the first time the Seanchan move their "creatures" through
07/06/2010 11:03:22 PM
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The little thing is Rand's angreal IMO
07/06/2010 04:52:17 AM
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I think the thing from books 4-6 has to do with dreaming/TAR abilities.
08/06/2010 12:09:53 AM
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I think BS has inadvertently given away a massive clue regarding Demandred's identity...
06/06/2010 09:12:58 PM
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What's to prevent him from hiding as a female? *NM*
06/06/2010 10:30:08 PM
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Forgive me if I don't give that possibility serious consideration.
06/06/2010 10:36:20 PM
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Bc it's clearly way too dissatisfying. And Demmy's certainly too proud to hide as a woman! *NM*
07/06/2010 01:01:52 AM
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Well. Galgan, then. *NM*
07/06/2010 04:05:57 PM
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Can't be Galgan
07/06/2010 04:37:36 PM
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galgan's out, but maybe...
07/06/2010 07:01:12 PM
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Or...
08/06/2010 09:37:21 AM
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I doubt the new Taraboner king is involved
08/06/2010 12:52:45 PM
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As I said, I think...
08/06/2010 01:30:39 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with most of it
08/06/2010 01:49:54 PM
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look above, you guys agreed on stuff for 19 hours. New record? *NM*
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