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You are quite right, I should have said "kill all the remaining FS" darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 10:08:49 PM

All kidding aside I think that would be way better than having Rand kill all the FS ... Perrin, Nyna, Egwene, Mat, Elayne and Aviendha should get to kill a few of them too :)

I can see Nynaeve taking out Moghedien once and for all, Mat and Demandred, Avi/Elayne can do for Cyndane, and I imagine Egwene may do for Mesaana. Perhaps Perrin will somehow get involved with aran'gar ... okay I know this is a stretch :P


Rand has not killed all the FS. Moiraine took out Be'lal and Lanfear. Treeguy took out Balthamel. Nynaeve was instrumental at taking out Rahvin even if Rand dealt the final blow. Sammael was taken out as much by Moridin and Mashadar as Rand. Ishamael was killed by Rand, but only thanks to the super-boost from Callandor. Aginor pretty much killed himself. Asmodean was killed by mysterious stranger. Rand did kill Semirhage, but only thanks to the DO and True Power. We don't even know if Graendal is dead, but if she is its less due to Rand's skill and more due to Choedan Kal. A novice could have killed her with that thing.

I want Rand to face a skilled forsaken such as Cyndane or Demandred, one on one, skill vs skill and win entirely on his own merits. Is that too much to ask?

Rand also faced Lanfear before, and failed miserably due to his stupid woman-killing-thing and his insanity. I want Rand to face Cyndane because I want a rematch between the two. A proper fight where Rand is sane and willing to fight. Essentially a redemption for his previous failure that got Moiraine imprisoned.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot Osan'gar who got killed by Elza. Another Forsaken-death Rand had nothing to do with. :)


IMO Rand killing the FS is too easy. There is no question that he with LTTs memories is clearly more than a match for any of them. I'd prefer to see more symbolic deaths for them. Thus Lanfear getting offed by the woman Rand actually loves, Mat beating "the great General", Egwene destroying Mesaana who infiltrated the Tower etc...
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Signing reports Etzel - 06/06/2010 07:30:37 PM 2015 Views
Interesting Sidious - 06/06/2010 07:41:56 PM 1087 Views
BS said Demandred's identity is the greatest secret in the story, and will pay off in the end... Shannow - 06/06/2010 08:05:51 PM 1301 Views
militarily perhaps, but not a duel Sidious - 07/06/2010 04:56:55 AM 1076 Views
Re: militarily perhaps, but not a duel darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:34:04 PM 873 Views
Re: militarily perhaps, but not a duel Sidious - 07/06/2010 04:17:26 PM 947 Views
Oh I like the villains to lose everything before they die darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:18:43 PM 855 Views
Bah Sidious - 07/06/2010 04:38:36 PM 954 Views
Oh no Lanfear will go down in a mouth foaming insane moment darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 07:04:23 PM 8872 Views
Skilled Rand would be nice. Datakim - 07/06/2010 09:24:56 PM 786 Views
I'd rather see Aviendha and Elayne link and take her out darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 09:41:47 PM 783 Views
Re: I'd rather see Aviendha and Elayne link and take her out Datakim - 07/06/2010 10:00:44 PM 915 Views
You are quite right, I should have said "kill all the remaining FS" darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 10:08:49 PM 939 Views
Re: You are quite right, I should have said "kill all the remaining FS" Datakim - 07/06/2010 10:22:11 PM 835 Views
Moridin IMO will be all Rand's to deal with darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 10:56:28 PM 768 Views
Moridin vs Rand will likely not be an OP fight. Datakim - 07/06/2010 11:06:16 PM 836 Views
I think it'll be OP v.TP darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 11:59:38 PM 848 Views
Nice thinking newyorkersedai - 07/06/2010 06:16:15 PM 968 Views
I think Demandred might be... Etzel - 07/06/2010 09:48:29 AM 890 Views
I favor the Roederan theory darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:35:37 PM 904 Views
Murandy would certainly make the most sense... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:06:34 PM 778 Views
Not sure about Masema, but the rest I think is likely darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:11:32 PM 991 Views
I have this feeling that Elaida is going to surprise us, and Demandred is in Caemlyn... fionwe1987 - 06/06/2010 08:33:16 PM 1051 Views
Meh. I think Elaida will end up like other women in the series who sucked darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:56:47 PM 943 Views
While Traveling is certainly a tactical advantage, I think the Seanchan won't be able to use it. DREWRULESWOT! - 06/06/2010 11:15:56 PM 840 Views
A hundred gateways next to each other is as good as one giant gateway... Shannow - 06/06/2010 11:36:48 PM 947 Views
but no carts or wagons. darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:15:29 AM 954 Views
Fully supplied armies could be moved Knightscape - 07/06/2010 02:45:15 AM 936 Views
you are missing the point that this would create several major problems darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:49:08 PM 903 Views
Advantages and Disadvantages to both large and small gateways Knightscape - 08/06/2010 03:04:28 AM 900 Views
The logistics would be practically impossible, as even RJ stated (see quote below) darius_sedai - 08/06/2010 01:41:03 PM 886 Views
But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not... Night Walker - 07/06/2010 02:45:26 AM 951 Views
Re: But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:52:40 PM 917 Views
Re: But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not... Night Walker - 07/06/2010 06:55:59 PM 756 Views
Re: But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 07:03:29 PM 860 Views
Re: But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not... Night Walker - 07/06/2010 07:48:01 PM 777 Views
Re: But the Seanchan have an advantage the Perrin did not... Underwood - 07/06/2010 08:22:23 PM 902 Views
Double Post -Sorry - NM! *NM* Underwood - 07/06/2010 08:22:23 PM 394 Views
We have no clue if Damane can tie off weaves darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 08:28:08 PM 861 Views
Re: We have no clue if Damane can tie off weaves Night Walker - 07/06/2010 09:22:24 PM 914 Views
One disagreement darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 09:33:09 PM 886 Views
I agree...but Night Walker - 07/06/2010 09:44:54 PM 814 Views
That's just it ... Egwene, Elayne and Rand have already thought of it and considered the uses darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 10:04:50 PM 916 Views
Egwene to pass information? You're joking, right? Skeeve the Great - 07/06/2010 10:59:25 PM 958 Views
He did say it was unlikely BlackAdder - 07/06/2010 11:23:20 PM 996 Views
Thanks! darius_sedai - 08/06/2010 12:02:27 AM 834 Views
Not to mention... fionwe1987 - 07/06/2010 09:26:28 PM 866 Views
Re: Not to mention... Night Walker - 07/06/2010 09:38:31 PM 803 Views
yes, but the cost may prove too high to allocate so many resources against Traveling darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 09:44:16 PM 786 Views
Something from RJ Datakim - 07/06/2010 09:43:16 PM 814 Views
NICE! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 09:55:03 PM 671 Views
If they get Traveling, I hope we read the first time the Seanchan move their "creatures" through newyorkersedai - 07/06/2010 06:22:47 PM 745 Views
Re: If they get Traveling, I hope we read the first time the Seanchan move their "creatures" through Datakim - 07/06/2010 11:03:22 PM 868 Views
That's a good point darius_sedai - 08/06/2010 12:05:30 AM 858 Views
The little thing is Rand's angreal IMO Sidious - 07/06/2010 04:52:17 AM 811 Views
Rand has a powerful sa'angreal though. Rurouni_Kenshin - 07/06/2010 08:35:06 AM 833 Views
But this was often suggested Etzel - 07/06/2010 10:30:17 AM 874 Views
I think the thing from books 4-6 has to do with dreaming/TAR abilities. TaskmasterJack - 08/06/2010 12:09:53 AM 807 Views
I think BS has inadvertently given away a massive clue regarding Demandred's identity... Shannow - 06/06/2010 09:12:58 PM 1008 Views
What's to prevent him from hiding as a female? *NM* BlackAdder - 06/06/2010 10:30:08 PM 383 Views
Forgive me if I don't give that possibility serious consideration. Shannow - 06/06/2010 10:36:20 PM 819 Views
Bc it's clearly way too dissatisfying. And Demmy's certainly too proud to hide as a woman! *NM* newyorkersedai - 07/06/2010 01:01:52 AM 452 Views
Not entirely... if he's Egwene that explains a lot BlackAdder - 07/06/2010 02:17:56 AM 851 Views
You misread, IMO newyorkersedai - 07/06/2010 12:59:58 AM 956 Views
Thank you yet again, Etzel newyorkersedai - 07/06/2010 01:07:02 AM 721 Views
Well. Galgan, then. *NM* StinkerSkunk - 07/06/2010 04:05:57 PM 442 Views
*NM* *NM* StinkerSkunk - 07/06/2010 04:06:38 PM 430 Views
Can't be Galgan Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:37:36 PM 781 Views
See we can agree on stuff *NM* darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:35:52 PM 367 Views
Of course, we can. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:26:00 PM 378 Views
galgan's out, but maybe... newyorkersedai - 07/06/2010 07:01:12 PM 767 Views
Or... Etzel - 08/06/2010 09:37:21 AM 787 Views
I doubt the new Taraboner king is involved darius_sedai - 08/06/2010 12:52:45 PM 1108 Views
As I said, I think... Etzel - 08/06/2010 01:30:39 PM 782 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of it darius_sedai - 08/06/2010 01:49:54 PM 773 Views
look above, you guys agreed on stuff for 19 hours. New record? *NM* newyorkersedai - 08/06/2010 04:12:47 PM 375 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 08/06/2010 11:01:57 PM 1046 Views
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