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Re: I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares LoialT Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 03:40:38 PM
I actually think it does a disservice to Elayne, Min and Aviendha to think that everything that they are must have been exceeded by Ilyena just because Lews Therin sometimes comments on some similarity between Rand's wives and Ilyena.

And I don't think the Pattern really cares about who will "mate" with the Dragon. Min's Viewings show what will happen to specific people, and prophetic dreams offer glimpses into the future. Neither actually gives us any indication as to what the Pattern "wants" or is programming for. Ilyena and their children ended up being destroyed by Lews Therin, which somewhat argues against the idea that the Pattern gives one whit for how to make the Dragon's life more pleasant.

The Pattern is a system, not a matchmaker or dating service.


I totally agree with this sentiment. "Greatness" is not just about power or ability or who makes the Dragon's work the easiest. Rand, as he recently has figured out for himself, is not the only thread that matters, far from it. Rand is there for the world much more than the world is there for him. He will have to make decisions to save the world and he will rely on his loves just as much they and others will rely on him. And as you say Rugby, Ilyena as the Dragon's consort did not exactly end so perfectly for their relationship or for the world. It is not that in the Third Age that we need three women to "equal" Ilyena, it is that the Pattern need Rand to have three loving relationships for the Pattern to survive this conflict with the Shadow and have any chance of rebuilding in the aftermath. There is no objective measure of greatness because the conditions of contest and action are always changing. In this cyclical universe, perhaps it would be possible to compare a Third Ager with a Third Ager from a previous or future weaving, but otherwise it is just apples and oranges. At least that is what I believe about universals and anachronistic categories.
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Matching the Dragon with a mate - 02/06/2010 10:09:49 AM 1455 Views
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the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much - 03/06/2010 02:14:08 PM 703 Views
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Oh Sid! - 03/06/2010 02:53:48 PM 651 Views
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Like who - 01/07/2010 12:40:14 PM 585 Views
Ditto - 04/06/2010 04:41:15 PM 724 Views
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I never said that's all they were - 03/06/2010 08:49:53 AM 665 Views
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totally disagree! - 03/06/2010 02:50:58 PM 750 Views
Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic - 02/06/2010 12:48:56 PM 712 Views
oh dear god no - 02/06/2010 02:41:13 PM 674 Views
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*NM* - 02/06/2010 03:54:04 PM 287 Views
beautiful post!!!!!! *NM* - 02/06/2010 04:03:55 PM 428 Views
Great post, but I would disagree with the top part - 02/06/2010 05:58:59 PM 747 Views
Re: Great post, but I would disagree with the top part - 03/06/2010 04:27:28 AM 742 Views
The pattern makes Rand the greatest man alive *NM* - 03/06/2010 10:35:05 AM 276 Views
Regarding the number of Darkfriends - 02/06/2010 07:06:08 PM 781 Views
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Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 12:50:03 PM 640 Views
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We don't even know how third names were earned - 03/06/2010 02:31:46 PM 697 Views
The point isn't her strength or beauty - 03/06/2010 03:01:03 PM 722 Views
Yeah, if only it was accurate - 03/06/2010 01:51:48 PM 792 Views
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Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 03/06/2010 01:18:14 PM 787 Views
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Reasonable scientific venture - 01/07/2010 10:23:06 AM 818 Views
I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares. - 02/06/2010 03:23:13 PM 684 Views
Re: I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares - 02/06/2010 03:40:38 PM 677 Views
Hmm... - 03/06/2010 09:28:55 AM 659 Views
Because the variables we see are rarely as specific. - 03/06/2010 03:18:16 PM 619 Views
I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. - 02/06/2010 05:14:08 PM 848 Views
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Meh. How do we know they aren't awarded the way the Nobel Peace Prize is in our world? - 02/06/2010 11:33:48 PM 671 Views
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Lews Therin browbeat the Third Name Committee! - 03/06/2010 07:48:41 AM 585 Views
LOL *NM* - 03/06/2010 12:03:07 PM 363 Views
LOL They called it "Tamyrlin-Gate" =) *NM* - 04/06/2010 09:48:28 PM 257 Views

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