I was just thinking about Seanchan and it occurred to me, what kind of impact do you think the whole a'dam testing procedure has on young girls in that society, and on the society as a whole.
I mean in the Seanchan society, absolutely every girl is tested to see if they can channel once every single year until they reach the age of 25. So basically if you are a girl living in Seanchan, every single year someone comes and sticks a collar around your neck to see if you have the ability to channel inborn, and if you do you are basically screwed forever. And you know it.
Now I would say everyone in Seanchan knows about the damane and how they are treated. I wonder what kind of effect this SHOULD have on any young Seanchan girl? I mean most people don't know they are channelers at first, so in most cases you likely would have no way to know if you are going to be held by the a'dam or not.
Should this not be something that absolutely terrifies everyone? I mean if you knew about the damane, would you not freak out every year when the time of testing came, knowing that if you had the bad luck to be able to channel you would be taken away to be tortured and brainwashed and then treated like an animal for the rest of your life, a very LONG life. Even if you believed that collaring was proper, you would still have to be very scared.
In large cities or towns, everyone would likely see this happen occasionally. Friends and family who are perfectly normal suddenly fail the test without warning. If you were say a 10 year old girl and your 19 year old sister failed, what kind of hell would your life be until 25 given the potential genetic factor? Or even the friends of the 19 year old who would have had no idea and who must realise that this means that it COULD happen to them aswell.
This would also likely be something that cruel children would use to terrorize others with, especially boys towars girls. We know bullies exist, creating a fake collar and slapping it around the neck of some girl would likely be a very effective way to cause fear and pain.
I also wonder what other implications this would have on a society.
For instance, I wonder if there is somekind of party or celebration in the family when a girl finally reaches 25 and fails the testing for the last time. I mean before that, there must always be a small doubt in everyones mind, "what if she can channel, what if she fails and is taken away". Would this perhaps cause some parents to stay distant from their female children out of fear and to avoid potential grief?
And what about relationships? I wonder if marriages would be more common with women past the 25 after men can be certain that their wife won't suddenly be taken away to be an animal in a kennel somewhere. What if you DID marry at say 16-20 and had a girl child, only to have the mother fail. What would the father think, knowing that the baby girl had a real chance of sharing her mother's fate someday. What would the child once she was old enough? Surely there would be a permanent stigma on the child. Would anyone want to marry her even if she failed the test herself, knowing that HER children could inherit their grandmothers channeling ability.
I wonder if people try to run away from the testing out of fear. Would there be somekind of underground or something that opposes the practise. One would think so, there are enough people that some must realise the immorality of it despite the pressure from the culture, even if they are few in number. Also I wonder if there exists bribery and such or other attempts to avoid the test just to be safe.
Seems to me that there are many ways that the damane system/testing would and should have a significant impact on the Seanchan in the ways I have described and many more that I have not thought of.
Thoughts?
I mean in the Seanchan society, absolutely every girl is tested to see if they can channel once every single year until they reach the age of 25. So basically if you are a girl living in Seanchan, every single year someone comes and sticks a collar around your neck to see if you have the ability to channel inborn, and if you do you are basically screwed forever. And you know it.
Now I would say everyone in Seanchan knows about the damane and how they are treated. I wonder what kind of effect this SHOULD have on any young Seanchan girl? I mean most people don't know they are channelers at first, so in most cases you likely would have no way to know if you are going to be held by the a'dam or not.
Should this not be something that absolutely terrifies everyone? I mean if you knew about the damane, would you not freak out every year when the time of testing came, knowing that if you had the bad luck to be able to channel you would be taken away to be tortured and brainwashed and then treated like an animal for the rest of your life, a very LONG life. Even if you believed that collaring was proper, you would still have to be very scared.
In large cities or towns, everyone would likely see this happen occasionally. Friends and family who are perfectly normal suddenly fail the test without warning. If you were say a 10 year old girl and your 19 year old sister failed, what kind of hell would your life be until 25 given the potential genetic factor? Or even the friends of the 19 year old who would have had no idea and who must realise that this means that it COULD happen to them aswell.
This would also likely be something that cruel children would use to terrorize others with, especially boys towars girls. We know bullies exist, creating a fake collar and slapping it around the neck of some girl would likely be a very effective way to cause fear and pain.
I also wonder what other implications this would have on a society.
For instance, I wonder if there is somekind of party or celebration in the family when a girl finally reaches 25 and fails the testing for the last time. I mean before that, there must always be a small doubt in everyones mind, "what if she can channel, what if she fails and is taken away". Would this perhaps cause some parents to stay distant from their female children out of fear and to avoid potential grief?
And what about relationships? I wonder if marriages would be more common with women past the 25 after men can be certain that their wife won't suddenly be taken away to be an animal in a kennel somewhere. What if you DID marry at say 16-20 and had a girl child, only to have the mother fail. What would the father think, knowing that the baby girl had a real chance of sharing her mother's fate someday. What would the child once she was old enough? Surely there would be a permanent stigma on the child. Would anyone want to marry her even if she failed the test herself, knowing that HER children could inherit their grandmothers channeling ability.
I wonder if people try to run away from the testing out of fear. Would there be somekind of underground or something that opposes the practise. One would think so, there are enough people that some must realise the immorality of it despite the pressure from the culture, even if they are few in number. Also I wonder if there exists bribery and such or other attempts to avoid the test just to be safe.
Seems to me that there are many ways that the damane system/testing would and should have a significant impact on the Seanchan in the ways I have described and many more that I have not thought of.
Thoughts?
Seanchan girls. Do they live in terror until 25?
02/06/2010 12:32:14 AM
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It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day
02/06/2010 01:06:32 AM
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Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day
02/06/2010 01:50:49 AM
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Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day
02/06/2010 05:53:14 AM
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Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day
04/06/2010 07:19:36 PM
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A few details to consider
02/06/2010 01:11:12 AM
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Re: A few details to consider
02/06/2010 02:31:08 AM
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Well, it took centuries for most people to understand breeding/genetics
02/06/2010 08:57:43 PM
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Re: Well, it took centuries for most people to understand breeding/genetics
03/06/2010 03:38:25 AM
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Re: Well, it took centuries for most people to understand breeding/genetics
04/06/2010 07:46:08 PM
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Nobody knows about Sul'dam because it takes them extra long to learn.
03/06/2010 07:58:41 AM
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I think they retest only the sul'dam
02/06/2010 04:13:55 AM
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I'll have to check my EotW, but I think Eg did have some fevers before Winternight. *NM*
02/06/2010 06:34:35 PM
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Re: I think they retest only the sul'dam
04/06/2010 07:55:56 PM
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Point on the testing
08/06/2010 02:15:26 AM
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Re: Point on the testing
08/06/2010 02:46:06 PM
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I'd think that would be a tiny chance given how diligent the Seanchan are in this regard
08/06/2010 02:58:15 PM
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Remember, Seancean have no idea channeling can be "learned"
02/06/2010 07:04:11 AM
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This is how Damane and Sul'Dam are determined, straight from tGH
03/06/2010 08:14:03 AM
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That doesn't make sense. Are you sure they don't put the BRACELET on the girls, not the collar?
04/06/2010 01:35:08 AM
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I am absolutely sure. Quote from book.
04/06/2010 03:09:08 AM
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Toun, though too young can be collared
06/06/2010 03:29:29 AM
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I don't think Tuon will ever Channel
06/06/2010 03:39:16 AM
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Re: I don't think Tuon will ever Channel
06/06/2010 05:07:40 AM
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I just see all of that as potential plot lines for the planned follow-up Mat/Tuon in Seanchan novels
08/06/2010 02:09:26 AM
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Not at all
02/06/2010 03:52:31 PM
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As with most things in Jordan's universe, I don't think it was thought through very seriously.
03/06/2010 08:05:04 PM
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Huh?
03/06/2010 08:44:35 PM
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Sure
03/06/2010 09:00:40 PM
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Bah...
03/06/2010 09:51:09 PM
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Jordan definitely made mistakes with the Ajahs. In particular, the Black Ajah ones who fled.
03/06/2010 10:56:39 PM
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Re: Sure
04/06/2010 04:55:23 AM
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I don't know if that's totally true
04/06/2010 12:09:29 PM
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Maybe you don't read that much serious literature? I just don't see why you are arguing this.
04/06/2010 03:47:50 PM
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I actually don't read much fiction at all to be honest
04/06/2010 04:00:03 PM
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You're right about the fact that I have mostly contempt for Jordan.
04/06/2010 05:42:49 PM
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Meh
04/06/2010 05:03:41 PM
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I love that: "I'm convinced Rand al'Thor is the most monotonous man in the world."
04/06/2010 05:47:01 PM
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I think the number of characters directly contributes to the situation.
04/06/2010 03:51:42 PM
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Re: I think the number of characters directly contributes to the situation.
04/06/2010 05:04:52 PM
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Brandon brings out supporting chars. better, it's true.
04/06/2010 03:17:52 AM
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You're absolutely right. Sanderson gets "inside" the characters a bit more. *NM*
04/06/2010 03:52:29 PM
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