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nope darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM
tEotW
Against the Shadow

No!" Aginor shouted. "You shall not have it! It is mine!"

Rand did not move, and neither did the Forsaken, yet they fought as surely as if they grappled in the dust. Sweat beaded on Aginor's face, no longer withered, no longer old, that of a strong man in his prime. Rand pulsed with the beating in the cord, like the heartbeat of the world. It filled his being. Light filled his mind, till only a corner was left for what was himself. He wrapped the void around that nook; sheltered in emptiness. Away!"Mine!" Aginor cried. "Mine!"

Warmth built in Rand, the warmth of the sun, the radiance of the sun, bursting, the awful radiance of light, of the Light. Away!

"Mine!" Flame shot from Aginor's mouth, broke through his eyes like spears of fire, and he screamed.

Rand and Aginor were fighting for control of the Well as surely as Asmodean and Rand fought over the CK.

Then let's not forget that he overcame Ishamael moments later with no angreal involved either...

tEotW
Against the Shadow

As all broke apart around him, Rand pointed the sword at Ba'alzamon's heart. "It is ended!"

Light lanced from the blade, coruscating in a shower of fiery sparks like droplets of molten, white metal. Wailing, Ba'alzamon threw up his arms in a vain effort to shield himself. Flames shrieked in his eyes, joining with other flames as the stone ignited, the stone of the cracking walls, the stone of the pitching floor, the stone showering from the ceiling. Rand felt the bright thread attached to him thinning, till only the glow itself remained, but he strained harder, not knowing what he did, or how, only that this had to be ended. It has to be ended!

Fire filled the chamber, a solid flame. He could see Ba'alzamon withering like a leaf, hear him howling, feel the shrieks grating on his bones. The flame became pure, white light, brighter than the sun. Then the last flicker of the thread was gone, and he was falling through endless black and Ba'alzamon's fading howl.

or so you think Ishamael just stood there and did nothing while Rand attacked him?
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Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM 1214 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha DomA - 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM 799 Views
I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl. darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM 681 Views
Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength Shannow - 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM 580 Views
Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months) darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM 695 Views
We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster... Shannow - 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM 637 Views
again with the interpretive quoting darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM 675 Views
Individual interpretation is all we've got really Sidious - 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM 618 Views
agreed, sort of darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM 623 Views
Consider this... Shannow - 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM 597 Views
You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM 390 Views
Not my fault if the books prove you wrong Shannow - 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM 521 Views
I'm denying that you have a clue darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM 565 Views
Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case. Shannow - 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM 442 Views
then Nynaeve is the Creator darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM 556 Views
Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point.. Shannow - 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM 656 Views
The books disagree with this darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM 488 Views
Right, NOW we're getting somewhere... Shannow - 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM 602 Views
You are hilarious darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM 400 Views
Close the door on your way out... Shannow - 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM 435 Views
no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM* darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM 268 Views
Re: agreed, sort of Sidious - 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM 1285 Views
Reminds me of some of our ancient debates... Shannow - 04/06/2010 05:03:05 PM 535 Views
this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM 650 Views
Re: this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though Sidious - 04/06/2010 10:56:01 PM 546 Views
It's all good, I do respect your thoughts on this BTW darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 11:28:45 PM 501 Views
No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR... Shannow - 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM 538 Views
Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM* darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM 299 Views
The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger. Shannow - 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM 562 Views
nope darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM 569 Views
You know that is not correct... Shannow - 01/06/2010 01:30:35 PM 598 Views
right or wrong it's in the text! darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 01:47:35 PM 673 Views
Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl. DomA - 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM 657 Views
I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM 711 Views
If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters... Shannow - 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM 462 Views
Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger Sidious - 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM 468 Views
Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river? beetnemesis - 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM 490 Views
Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM* Lordling - 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM 378 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha Skeeve the Great - 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM 530 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM 503 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha Skeeve the Great - 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM 440 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM 451 Views
Remember gatways Kieran - 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM 505 Views
I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM 484 Views
I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges. FanEditor10 - 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM 645 Views
I think you are correct actually. darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:53:21 PM 681 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/06/2010 08:43:33 PM 430 Views
My own thougth was off base! darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:54:19 PM 506 Views
I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM 596 Views
Strength is a touchy word in this case... FanEditor10 - 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM 574 Views
Re: Strength is a touchy word in this case... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2010 04:52:33 PM 411 Views
I see effectiveness much the same darius_sedai - 05/06/2010 05:17:57 PM 720 Views
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