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The point is... Etzel Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM
That RJ tells us that Fain - who doesn't channel - could have managed to kill Asmo in similar circumstanzes. That means that nothing speaks against the idea that also other dangerous non-channelers could have succeeded. The killer doesn't have to be a channeler, as some people seem to think.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2509 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1248 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 692 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1058 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 988 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 901 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 622 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 576 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1046 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1358 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 711 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1039 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1128 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1004 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1072 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1069 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1121 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 994 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 975 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 939 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 953 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1074 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1028 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 980 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1095 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 878 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 849 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 840 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1164 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1034 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1122 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1126 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 634 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 971 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1022 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1027 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 972 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1011 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 963 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 980 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1001 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1139 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1059 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1050 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 976 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1007 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1113 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1145 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 953 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1063 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 933 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 992 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1018 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 884 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1002 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 900 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 905 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 985 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1066 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 923 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 901 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1066 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1003 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 529 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1024 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 997 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1032 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 939 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 987 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1001 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1059 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 915 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 981 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1000 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 969 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 985 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 773 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 934 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 886 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 940 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 897 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 733 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 998 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1104 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 648 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 806 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1015 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1211 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 714 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1155 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 939 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 953 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 913 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 947 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 887 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 593 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 645 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 999 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 937 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 598 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1018 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 691 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 908 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 973 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 932 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 947 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1031 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1032 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1002 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 835 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 837 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 879 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 848 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 920 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 833 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 641 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 771 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 789 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 931 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1012 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 955 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 870 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 984 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1001 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 926 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 885 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 898 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 912 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 951 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1019 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 938 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 876 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 645 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 799 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 485 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 696 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 973 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 963 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 911 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 916 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 659 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1026 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 886 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 909 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 952 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 895 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 964 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 951 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 878 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 978 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1046 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 932 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 902 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 986 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1022 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 987 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 954 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1049 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 823 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 902 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 872 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1054 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 952 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 942 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 843 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 923 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 998 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1373 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 919 Views
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