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Couple of questions scalius Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM
1st) Your post has me wondering just how the DO knew of Asmo's "treachery". The obvious is Lanfear, after her time w/ the Finn, presumably telling of her plan during her later interrogation/mindtrap at SG. Or do you think that Sammy, Grenny or Rhavin spilled the beans? Is there any hard evidence for any one person? I don't recall any.

2nd) The "You? No!" insta-death issue. I think it's entirely reasonable to assume that the OP was used, and perhaps even balefire. But this raises a question. The phrasing implies that after an initial shock of seeing whomever was there, Asmo then has a very brief moment of understanding regarding his imminent demise. If he was hit with BF, or really any killing weave (but BF being the best choice due to body removal and no need for cleanup..which seems likely) than don't we have to assume that Asmo was able to identify the weave as it was being formed? Assuming BF was used, I'm going to guess that it travels at the speed of light, and from a few feet away it doesn't seem plausible that Asmo would have time to get out any words as the BF was streaking towards him. This could probably be said with any killing weave from such a short distance.

Therefore, I think we may have to assume that Asmo read the weave, was able to gasp "No!" upon recognition, and was then near immediately killed. This would mean that it was saidin that was used to kill Asmo, and not saidar, no?
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2576 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1323 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 719 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1127 Views
It's not really obvious... - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1063 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 976 Views
Far-fetched, IMO - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1419 Views
very well said *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 742 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1116 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1211 Views
Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1080 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1114 Views
The point is... - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1156 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1200 Views
As is Slayer - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1062 Views
There is no evidence of this at all - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1042 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1013 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1033 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1148 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1101 Views
I think this is your interpretation - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1048 Views
Yeah right... - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1137 Views
See my replies above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 930 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 929 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 900 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1240 Views
We often see... - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1106 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1187 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1198 Views
Agreed *NM* - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 667 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1041 Views
Well... - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1099 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1105 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1044 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1093 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1035 Views
common sense? - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1050 Views
See my posts above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1069 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1209 Views
No... - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1129 Views
let's try this another way - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1120 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1041 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1054 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1182 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1222 Views
RJ used the expression... - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1023 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1128 Views
Re: No... - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1001 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1079 Views
Couple of questions - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1104 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 956 Views
Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1076 Views
Re: Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 969 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 985 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1042 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1141 Views
We've seen it done. - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 988 Views
Not the same thing - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 970 Views
Re: Couple of questions - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1135 Views
As said... - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1081 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 556 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1093 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1075 Views
But look... - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1102 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1001 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1063 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1068 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1127 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 988 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1052 Views
??? - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1036 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1059 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 833 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 997 Views
Re: Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 961 Views
LOL!! - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 801 Views
Too much? - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1058 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1180 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 675 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 883 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1085 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1292 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 798 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1216 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1012 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1023 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 980 Views
Doesn't make sense - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1026 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 957 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 676 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1067 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 971 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1047 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1012 Views
Well, I don't think so. - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1036 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1106 Views
Again... - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1101 Views
Taking things NO - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1072 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 908 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 905 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 959 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 918 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 962 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 917 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 665 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 854 Views
I'm relieved then... - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 861 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 995 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1095 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1036 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 961 Views
That's always been my theory too - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1060 Views
*nods* - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1079 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 992 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 945 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 995 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 981 Views
That is simply false. - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1041 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1092 Views
Of course, it is false - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1010 Views
Here are the quotes - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 939 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 663 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 869 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 516 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 715 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1041 Views
Well... - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1036 Views
Logic - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 992 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 990 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 687 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1097 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 959 Views
That reminds me... - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 984 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1025 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 976 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1067 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1016 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 971 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1050 Views
That are just semantics - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1120 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1007 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 972 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1051 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1101 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1061 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1049 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1127 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 891 Views
um no it's not - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 978 Views
It's told after that... - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 943 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1092 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1020 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1017 Views
Ah, whatever... - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 914 Views
We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 989 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1066 Views
LMAO - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1448 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 998 Views

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