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Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
But she let Chesmal heal her and only Liandrin (who she expected) tried to betray her. It wouldn't be particularly difficult for her to find a BA Sister to free her. If she could enter TAR she could snag them from their dreams and kill them if they disobeyed her or tried to make her a prisoner. Once she was free she'd likely kill them anyway. We also know Compulsion in TAR is actually stronger than in the waking world, so all she'd need do is set a Compulsion on a Sister and she's free as a bird with no one the wiser.


The issue is simple: how could she maintain obedience when she will be showing weakness in front of her minions not once but twice. Furthermore, if any of the Black Ajah saw that collar (keeping in mind that many of them actually know what an a'dam does and may be able to recognize it), they would realize that she is entirely under their control. This is an organization full of evil people - trust is not something that they practice that often, and we know from the way the a'dam works, that you may very well be unable to draw upon the will necessary to destroy the one who holds your leash. Perhaps this weakened will would be enough to guarantee your destruction should you be trapped in a nightmare or their particular dream. From all descriptions we have received, being leashed is a draining experience and not something that keeps your willpower and sense of self (extremely important factors when manipulating T'A'R) intact.

This would take a few minutes of fumbling at most! Any number of characters have figured it out pretty quickly so I don't think it would be too tough for an AS to manage. If she has a woman from the camp handy it wouldn't take much time and no one would even notice. Worse case she has the woman Travel away with her until they can get it off.


Yet Egwene was completely unable to even initiate the attempt, nor could the Aes Sedai or Windfinders, all capable women of above average intelligence, figure out a way to remove the collars.

It may seem easy to us, as the readers, but I doubt if the collar were real, any one of us could figure out how it clasped, based upon the description of it we've gotten.
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*nods* *NM* - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 256 Views
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shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 243 Views
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