i always figured it was pretty much your soul that you dreamt into T'A'R, hence the reflecting injuries when you woke...
You could certainly die of shock. TAR is metaphysically different from normal dreaming as the dreamer is more solidly there.
I've also heard of experiments done that involve blindfolding a patient, pouring warm water down their arm and telling them that they're bleeding to death. End result, the patient died.
Another involved putting a patient into a clean, new hospital bed, and then lying and telling them that the former inhabitant had died of cholera. The patient then exhibited the symptoms of cholera and died themselves.
these results indicate a sort of psychological death, tricking the mind into thinking it's dying. the patient who was told he was bleeding to death didn't actually manifest a gash in their arm, their brain told itself it was dying and so did (btw i'd definitely need more solid evidence than "i've also heard of experiments..." to make a proper response)
whereas if you injure yourself in T'A'R the injury appears in the flesh too. Their minds couldn't physically damage their bodies like that. Therefore it seems most likely that it's more substantial than just a creation of the mind
nor could other particularly nasty things happen to you
You could certainly die of shock. TAR is metaphysically different from normal dreaming as the dreamer is more solidly there.
I've also heard of experiments done that involve blindfolding a patient, pouring warm water down their arm and telling them that they're bleeding to death. End result, the patient died.
Another involved putting a patient into a clean, new hospital bed, and then lying and telling them that the former inhabitant had died of cholera. The patient then exhibited the symptoms of cholera and died themselves.
these results indicate a sort of psychological death, tricking the mind into thinking it's dying. the patient who was told he was bleeding to death didn't actually manifest a gash in their arm, their brain told itself it was dying and so did (btw i'd definitely need more solid evidence than "i've also heard of experiments..." to make a proper response)
whereas if you injure yourself in T'A'R the injury appears in the flesh too. Their minds couldn't physically damage their bodies like that. Therefore it seems most likely that it's more substantial than just a creation of the mind
Help me out with a TAR problem
- 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM
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- 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM
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No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM
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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM
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- 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM
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And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
- 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM
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- 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
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I disagree
- 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM
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- 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
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If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM
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Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here
- 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM
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We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop.
- 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM
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But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR
- 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM
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The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself
- 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM
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I don't agree.
- 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM
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you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM
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Re: you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM
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That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM
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Interesting idea.
- 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM
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There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies
- 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM
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we've seen this fail
- 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM
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So I think this disproves it
- 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM
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Is that really true?
- 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
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Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM*
- 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM
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I would generally agree with your edits
- 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM
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yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM
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Re: yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM
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5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously
- 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM
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well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte
- 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM
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Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit?
- 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM
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You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh.
- 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM
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I think this is possible.
- 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM
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Dream gateway!
- 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM
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I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form
- 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM
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if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind
- 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM
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if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R
- 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM
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Why not?
- 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM
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if it's just a creation of your mind?
- 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM
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I don't think anybody has said this before...
- 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM
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Your real body can only channel Spirit.
- 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM
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Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world.
- 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM
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Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
- 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
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The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM
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That's a weird situation.
- 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM
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Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious'
- 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM
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Re: The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM
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If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM
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Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM
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Actually I don't think so..
- 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere.
- 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
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TAR constructs cannot leave it.
- 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM
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Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ...
- 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM
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I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR...
- 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM
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