Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
I don't think Shadowspawn can enter tel'aran'rhiod for the same reason they cannot pass through a Gateway; only naturally occurring life-forms leave a mark there, and even then, only the wolves can exist there as spirit constructs. We've seen animals exist there in dreams and nightmares, but they don't leave tracks. Shadowspawn aren't encountered in droves if you try to Dreamwalk to the Blight, despite their being an immense of them sleeping at any time there, because all that is sense is the presence of the Shadow.
Also, the central issue I am talking about is not if Myrdraal would listen to Moghediens' commands - it is the fact that she doesn't seem to keep any in her forces to be easily reached. She actually seems to prefer using darkfriends in her schemes rather than Shadowspawn. I don't see Moghedien Travelling or Skimming to the Blight when she doesn't know if Ishamael/Moridin, Demandred, Graendal or any of the other Forsaken who would destroy her for this weakness out of hand would be there. It is too large of a chance to take in front of competitors. The only reason Aran'Gar/Balthamel didn't eliminate her was because he was under direct orders from the Dark One, and I believe that Moghedien realized that if she had to rely on the Dark Ones' mercy at that point, she was out of luck.
In addition, though Myrdraal are intelligent, we are dealing with the fact that it took Nynaeve and Elayne a lot of time to figure out exactly which movements removed the collar. This isn't something that can be done in a few minutes by a neophyte.
And the Myrdraal possess some measure of intelligence, but they are certainly much closer to being an animal than a human being. I.E. They know how to kill, what causes harm and take pleasure in pain but we have never seen them execute complicate strategies, play Daes'Das'Mar or have intellectual conversations with the Forsaken. It is possible a Fade would accidentally tear Moghedien's throat out during his attempt to remove the collar.
Also, the central issue I am talking about is not if Myrdraal would listen to Moghediens' commands - it is the fact that she doesn't seem to keep any in her forces to be easily reached. She actually seems to prefer using darkfriends in her schemes rather than Shadowspawn. I don't see Moghedien Travelling or Skimming to the Blight when she doesn't know if Ishamael/Moridin, Demandred, Graendal or any of the other Forsaken who would destroy her for this weakness out of hand would be there. It is too large of a chance to take in front of competitors. The only reason Aran'Gar/Balthamel didn't eliminate her was because he was under direct orders from the Dark One, and I believe that Moghedien realized that if she had to rely on the Dark Ones' mercy at that point, she was out of luck.
In addition, though Myrdraal are intelligent, we are dealing with the fact that it took Nynaeve and Elayne a lot of time to figure out exactly which movements removed the collar. This isn't something that can be done in a few minutes by a neophyte.
And the Myrdraal possess some measure of intelligence, but they are certainly much closer to being an animal than a human being. I.E. They know how to kill, what causes harm and take pleasure in pain but we have never seen them execute complicate strategies, play Daes'Das'Mar or have intellectual conversations with the Forsaken. It is possible a Fade would accidentally tear Moghedien's throat out during his attempt to remove the collar.
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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
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26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM
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And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
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I disagree
27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM
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Re: I disagree
27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
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If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM
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Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here
27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM
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We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop.
27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM
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But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR
27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM
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The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself
27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM
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I don't agree.
27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM
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you are misreading me I think
27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM
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Re: you are misreading me I think
27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM
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That's the point.
27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM
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Re: That's the point.
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Re: That's the point.
27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM
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Interesting idea.
26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM
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There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies
26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM
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we've seen this fail
26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM
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So I think this disproves it
26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM
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Is that really true?
26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
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Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM*
26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM
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I would generally agree with your edits
26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM
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yes and no
26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM
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Re: yes and no
26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM
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5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously
26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM
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well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte
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Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit?
26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM
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You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh.
26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM
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I think this is possible.
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Dream gateway!
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I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form
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if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind
27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM
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if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R
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I don't think anybody has said this before...
27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM
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Your real body can only channel Spirit.
27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM
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Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world.
27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM
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Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
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The only real situation we have to compare...
27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM
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That's a weird situation.
27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM
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Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious'
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Re: The only real situation we have to compare...
27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM
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If something that didn't exist before existed after...
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Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after...
28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM
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Actually I don't think so..
28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere.
28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
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TAR constructs cannot leave it.
27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM
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Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ...
27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM
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I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR...
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